Any Canadian Lawyers? Payload Class Action potential?

Published figures are for maximum possible in each configuration. Somewhere out there the 825kg payload version of your truck exists. Actual figures can be found in the door jamb, but even those are only cab, drive and trim configuration maximums. Each truck weighs what it weighs. Very few will get the max due to options that get added to whatever stripped down version achieved the maximum rating. They cannot post the actual payload of every truck they make in every configuration with every potential option combo. An informed consumer is responsible for a purchase. Something available in so many different configurations should be vetted by the consumer. A lawsuit will prove fruitless. But you write your letters Andy.

 

You want a Lawyer to tell you your wrong……so you thought it best pose the question at the Internet Comments section thinking this is the best avenue for answers??

 

Andy might have something here.

The advertised max isn’t even found in the manual under vehicle capacity weight.

All of the payload ratings printed on our door jamb tire loading stickers correspond to model codes printed on the other sticker (the one with the axle ratings). These are also listed in the manual.

From the 2024 Tundra owners manual:



Advertised max isn’t even listed. Weights listed aren’t close to advertised max, either.

 

I wasn't aware that Toyota changed the definition of payload for the 3rd gen. Payload = GVWR - Curb weight. The difference is how much weight you can carry. He also states 825 kg which is 1815lbs, not 1940lbs. I’m not sure Toyota built any of the max payload configuration trucks, nor if anyone would buy them. Everyone pretends like they want more payload till it involves deleting their heated seats or vibrating cup holders or whatever. If you really need 3/4 ton capacity in your half ton truck on the regular and the ratings bother you, why not look at 3/4 ton trucks? A half ton, last time I checked the math, is 1000#. Anything over is bonus territory. Buying something that clearly states its capacity on a required sticker in the door jamb, not looking at it, and then complaining it’s not what you thought because of a brochure is on the buyer. There was a thread in here recently where a guy bought a truck and thought it was 4wd. He never even checked to see if it really was. Didn’t even notice the missing knob. Then came on here and complained. Yeesh.

 

I don’t know OPs name, it was a Shawshank reference

 

The advertised max is an “up to” type claim. What’s in the manual appears to correspond with the reported door stickers of owners here. Not sure where legal action would fit in.

 

Advertising a maximum that clearly isn’t offered in the manual which lists all model codes seems actionable to me. I’m no lawyer, but it seems Ford is paying out left and right for similar offenses.

 

Some here have weighed their trucks and found the actual payload available was higher than stickered. There's probably a good reason for this. Each component of the vehicle are built to a specification which includes a plus and a minus. Toyota probably paid a junior engineer to figure the weight if a truck happened to be built with every part at the upper end of the specs. They most likely added in the allowable error on scales used for commerce.

Toyota isn't Ford.

 

Those vibrating cup holders cost me 400 lb of payload. At least my martinis are always shaken

 

I remember Ford and GM advertising impossible payload ratings. Turns out they were calculating payload using a curb weight with no bumpers or spare tire on the truck, and therefore no truck they built could ever have the advertised max payload rating.

Would love to see the CAT scale reading on my buddy’s F150 that has 28XX lbs on the door jamb.

 

The Ford settlement for payload was for HD lineup trucks that were so close in payload to the other 2 members of the big three they published payloads that didn’t include the spare tire, jack and radio to push them just past the other 2. That’s the only one I even see mentioned for payload. The Tundras max is likely a configuration they don’t natively sell, but able to be done. And as I stated earlier, no one would order it anyway. I think the 1600-1800 range is achievable, and that’s a lot for a half ton. Most will see 1350-1500, like most offered by the big three. Toyota is likely an average of 50-100# behind the competition overall on payload.

 

I expect a 1/2 ton truck to be able to carry at least 1000lbs. I expect a 3/4 ton truck to be able to carry at least 1500lbs. I expect a 1 ton truck to be able to carry 2000 lbs. So far I have never run across a truck that did not meet those specs. *shrug*

 

Those terms have not meant anything for a very long time. It’s not half ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton; it’s 1500, 2500, and 3500.

Crew cab 4x4 1500s from other manufacturers come with 2k+ payload in lower trims. F150s with the max trailering carry over 3k (according to the website anyway; max I’ve seen is 2818 lb on a buddy’s F150).

Toyota’s payload problem is that they don’t offer a crew cab truck one can tow a 7k trailer with and still have the wife and kids in the truck, too, without being overweight. Everyone else has figured this out.

Speaking of HD trucks, every GM and Ford 2500 carries 3800+ (that’s 1.95T). My buddy’s F350 Tremor is over 4k lbs of payload. So is that a “2 ton” truck? Look at the DRW trucks. 5-7k lbs of payload.

 

Yes, The payload capacity wars changed all that. Marketing is a powerful thing...

However they are still referred to as 1/2, 3/4, & 1 ton trucks and my expectations remain what they were before all the silliness so I'm never disappointed.

 

If you check the door jambs of the other guys CM 4x4s, you won’t likely find 2k+ payloads. The F150 dropped the high payload package last I heard. And the current 3rd gen Tundra CM 4x4 can tow a 7k# trailer and haul your family within payload. Unless you have 4 grown children perhaps….

 

625 is 1377lbs 825kg is 1818lbs that's a huge difference

 

I bought a 6 inch Subway the other day and it was only 5-3/4 inches long......

Seems like the OP has disappeared from the forum. Probably enjoying life on the private Island he bought from his lawsuit windfall.

 

They aren’t. Not by anyone making trucks. I guess keep your expectations low, and you’re never disappointed?

Yes they are crew cab 4x4s. I know three guys with crew cab 4x4 XLT F150s with over 2k on the door jamb. One guy is over 2800 (2818 if I remember correctly). I’ve seen one GM crew cab 4x4 with over 2k as well. I think it was a Custom trim.

I have three kids, we are all very active and fit, and we weigh 550 lb. I guess if your 3rd gen Tundra SR5 crewmax has 1500 lb of payload, and your 7k trailer’s tongue weight is under 1k, then we could barely make it work. Either way, Toyota debuted it at the back of the pack.

 

Back of the pack is Toyotas spot

 

It wasn't in 2007...

 

Classic example of why we have such a lawyer up mindset in society...people need to find something else to do...much ado about nothing...this means you OP

 

Yeah, for like 10 minutes. But hey, it was a moment.

but never for sales. Ever.

 

Too easy... Next! At least try to be right, LOL. I said they are still being reffered to as I stated and they clearly are. I also said marketing was a powerful thing... Manufacturers compete on numbers and IMHO modern payload figures are not practical numbers. you can pile 3/4 tons into a 1/2 tons truck legally if the sticker says you can but it's still going to suck and kill the truck early in it's life.


TOP 10 THE Best Half Ton Trucks Money Can Buy In 2022 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWvqbnyDmlc

Motortrend The Best 3/4-Ton Trucks in 2023
https://www.motortrend.com/features/best-three-quarter-ton-pickup-trucks/

Car & Driver - Diesel Half-Ton Tug of War: Chevy vs. Ford vs. Ram
https://www.caranddriver.com/review...19-ford-f-150-diesel-vs-2020-ram-1500-diesel/

 

Does Car & Driver make trucks?
Does Motortrend?
Does that youtube channel you included?

Others may refer to the various segments using those outdated terms, but the manufacturers (i.e., those making the trucks, as I stated in the post you quoted) generally call them 1500, 2500, and 3500 now because they all carry so much more now.

• When even the most decked out, upper trim 1500s offer 1300 lb of payload, and the base models of Ford and GM carry over 2k lbs, the 1500s aren’t “half tons” anymore.
• When everyone’s 2500 offers up to 4k lb of payload (that’s two tons), 2500s aren’t “3/4 tons” anymore.
• When everyone’s 3500 class offers 4k+ up to 7k lbs, 3500s aren’t “1 tons” anymore.

I hope that makes sense. You’re of course welcome to continue basing your expectations on 2006 numbers.

 

If I call a Ford, Chevy, or Dodge dealer and ask if they have any new 1/2 ton pickups on their lot I'm guessing they won't tell me they don't make them anymore.

I'm not disputing that the published specs. I'm saying they are still commonly referred as 1/2, 3/4, or 1 ton trucks and the marketing driven higher load capacity numbers don't mean much in the real world as a practical matter. Thinking they do leads to disappointment and frustration is all.

 

Of course not. They will play along with whatever outdated thing you say.

I think this is where we disagree. A 1500 truck with a door jamb number north of 1 Ton is not "marketing driven". It's market driven. People need higher payload capacities than they used to. And most of the manufacturers have responded with higher capacities.

According to most people on the forum, the door jamb numbers mean everything. If you're ever over at all, you're breaking the law and in danger of getting fined or having an insurance claim denied. While the insurance denial thing is demonstrably false, door jamb numbers are not marketing speak.

Toyota is the only automaker offering 1500-class trucks with 1500 lb of payload or less. Payload was the #2 complaint for the 2nd gen behind fuel economy. Everyone else has moved WAY up. But after 15 years, Toyota only gives the Tundra 200 lb more. Some of the new Tacoma trims apparently get 1700 lb of payload. Kinda shows where Toyota's priorities lie.

 

Thinking about it is it worth spending 50k or more not really. Lawyers aren't cheap and costs add up quickly.

I was trying to find the contact info for toyota to directly ask why the website has very miss leading info so they can correct it.

Could you sue yes. Could you win yes is it worth the cost for a small amount awarded not really. Your not likely to get much in the end and it comes down to sunken costs is it worth spending 50k to get 10 or 15ish. Now if someone takes the sales mangers advise gets hurt then sues and can prove it then you get lost wages past and future depending on a person's wage and how injured it doesn't really add up to that much. How much do car company's make lieing to customers... lots it adds up quickly. Ford said its cheaper to settle wrongful death claims then to recall and fix the problem with a car. People actually died they got sued it came out people got outraged over it they fixed that problem. It all depends on who's in charge and what they push. It's big busniess and lots of time it's greed that causes the harm to the customer and the company. Share holders want profits and ceos want bonuses so they game the system to do it. If lieing sells more cars and they make more profits thrn they make more money for them self with a bonus.

 

Any Class Action Lawsuit will get settled and lawyers will get paid the bulk of any judgement... then the rest will get divided up amongst the 250k owners of Gen3 Tundras... we'll get $0.23 and no more payload or gas mileage improvements.

 

They take 30 percent plus cost and disperments then there are sales taxs on judgments. So it comes out like this 800k they take 196k then that's a legal fee so 20 percent sales tax in bc so 70k more 142k legal expenses you get left with around 330k ish out of 800k... lawyers get a chunk government gets a chunk injured party gets a small amount.

 

Hence your thread title asking for lawyers regarding a potential class action... okay.

Yes, advertising is manipulative and can be misleading. Welcome to Marketing 101.

No, I was not deceived by my truck's payload, my trailer's tongue weight, or any other marketing ploys, because I do my research and read fine print.

Anyone over the age of about 15 who doesn't look for or notice terms like "up to" or "when properly equipped" or "as low/much as" in advertising would have to be kind of an idiot.

Of course I'm not calling you an idiot personally (like you did to an earlier responder) because that would would be super fucking rude and disrespectful.