2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Im on this forum studying Tundra's as a current F150 owner. Truck has been in the shop off and on for many fairly minor issues, however they are frequent. The recalls are absolutely ridiculous as well. There is a lot of good about the truck (22 power boost platinum) however there are many just corners cut or lacking quality of tidbits. I also think their technology is lacking, htey have a lot of tech ideas on the truck but they seem slow or just not the most user friendly. Dealer support has been pretty good, ford corp has not been eager to rush to fix wide spread issues however all the way new trucks hit the show rooms with "fixes". All that said, as the driver the truck is very comfortable, tows very well, rides well, power is good. Fuel mileage is not as advertised but thats all of them

 

If you think that grass is much greener over here in Tundra land, it may or may not be the case.

What are your still outstanding Ford issues that bother you so much you want to trade?

 

That's why I'm holding out on ordering a 2024 F150 until Job 2's order banks open.

 

Regarding the updates - Ford pushes them out seemingly randomly, and if a truck fails to receive it so many times it seemingly goes to the end of the line. The result is trucks that aren't in service will take a while to get updates again once they're back in service. Eventually you should start seeing them. I didn't get one until about a month after buying mine.

So far my 2023 has been good - one issue where two speakers didn't work sometimes, but Ford had an SSM about that for an update to the DSP. Dealer did that for me yesterday, so hopefully it doesn't happen again.

 

That’s because Ford generations are short, and Ford drivers are used to consistent issues.

I know there are a few 2nd gen guys who are pretty obnoxious about the 3rd gen, but the vast majority of us expected Toyota to debut it out in front of the pack like they did with the 2nd gen. That did not happen on several fronts. We got only 200 lb more payload, 3ish more MPG, a big screen, a bunch of low end torque, mismatched front CV axles, a narrow SUV frame under the cab, less ground clearance, larger turn radius, higher safety marks, smaller cab, longer nose, all in a far more complex vehicle.

Toss in pandemic-related supply chain and quality control issues, and some of us who have only ever driven problem-free Toyotas for loads and loads of miles feel a bit like we don’t recognize Toyota anymore and that we may very well be seeing the end of Toyota’s golden age.

It just seems Toyota has moved away from the classic inefficient, modestly powered, bulletproof, go-anywhere SUVs and trucks they’re known for. It’s all small displacement turbo (inherently higher stress + shorter lifespan) across the board.

I want to stop hearing about failed engines and appalling (for Toyota) QC. I want to be wrong about the TTv6. I want to see someone get 1M miles on routine maintenance. Euro is what, 17% of the way there by now?

 

That’s a pretty negative viewpoint, but I’m not saying your one of those obnoxious last gen owners , as you don’t really roll like that most times.

I don’t know what some people are expecting out of a half ton platform with all the epa bs that’s being forced when it comes to payload and towing , etc

The new gen also has a ton of positive things , just a few of the highlights , higher payload, higher towing, much better ride and handling , much better real world towing performance, way more functional small things like bed lighting, cameras views, and many more options like avs , load leveling rear , multiple tow modes, drive modes , locking rear end, MTS plus crawl control , power locking tailgate , power port in the bed, wireless CarPlay , better rust protection, 6.5’ bed on crewmax , 10 speed transmission, more hp, more and lower torque

and I won’t go into all the little creature comforts , etc like rear shades built in, rear heated and cooled seats, etc there are a ton of those

so I guess this goes back to a viewpoint of a gen 2 who is kinda sour on things and a gen 3 owner who appreciates the truck for what it is and all the improvements they made

That said , they could really make a lot of people happy by simply giving the non hybrid the higher gvwr of the hybrid and call it a payload package .

 

-They are still having ongoing catalytic converter issues on the power boost
-Radio screen and its functions have constant issues, lag, technology issues/programming. Also like its just way to small of a computer. Issues with phone linking (when you work from the truck this is a big deal)
-Issues on the truck (skid plates falling off more than once, running board motors failing, other things like this)
-Generator issues, never use it, however the truck thinks its being used all the time. Nothing plugged in and still thinks its trying to power stuff, Ford no answers.
-radio goes in and out, will function with zero sound after startup and letting out this extremely loud squeal, common issue ford refuses to address
-While I complimented the dealer, the often have a month plus lead time to schedule things like the recalls, or not urgent situations

There are other things as well. Given the electrical and on going issues, its just a trust thing at this point as well. I still have a few recalls outstanding that they are allotting parts for yet because new vehicles take them as well. Having a hybrid truck with very poor electronics don't make you feel warm and fuzzy for longevity reasons.

 

Are the failed TT6cyl engines that popular? I know a guy that had this happen, but thought it might be a fluke

 

So far it appears that the engine bearing issues may have been resolved since mid 2023 build date. Or at least we haven't heard of any failures since then. But there are still lots of 2022 and early 2023 tundras that show up on this forum weekly reporting engine failures.

 

Stuff like what you describe above is why I switched. I had the following issues w/my 2013:

- rear defroster window failed 3x
- right rear door would not latch/stay closed when temps were subfreezing - and in a SuperCab, that's a big deal, as the front door latches onto the rear dor
- radio screen constantly froze up
- valve body separator plate made horrendous squeal (fixed by TSB)
- seat rail squeaked like crazy
- parking brake failed once or twice

I could go on. Meanwhile...the below are the issues I've had between ALL of the Toyotas I've owned (5 of them):

- 2000 4Runner - O2 sensor
- 2012 Highlander - none
- 2020 Highlander - none
- 2020 Tundra - HVAC servo damper (VERY rare issue...but fixed under warranty)
- 2022 4Runner - none

You get the point. Toyota are often behind on offering the latest and greatest features - e.g., there's NO reason why I shouldn't be able to auto-start my vehicle and then get into it without the truck turning off LOL - but from a reliability standpoint, even considering some of the issues with the 3rd gen, I find them FAR more reliable.

 

I guess I'm the only guy to not have any issue with a Ford.

I'll say this about Toyota, they were caught between a rock and a hard place. The proven/reliable/low-tech model is also lack of innovation/long-in-the-tooth. When I needed to jump to a full size I didn't even consider the 2nd Gen, the '21 felt like a 14 year old truck. If they want to come even close to trying to keep up with the Big 3, and I'm saying they have or that they even tried to, they HAD to make a total, ground up, redesign. But that's expensive for a relatively low volume vehicle. So I expect heavy compromises were made to get to be able to share XX% of parts within the platform.

 

proven/reliable/low-tech
You know I think its kind of funny. When I bought my ‘18 Tundra in 2018 I was attracted to it because it was low tech – lol
Yeah … and I’m the IT guy. More tech means less privacy, more subscription costs, more China electronics. When one of Musk's satellites go down your 360 cameras won't work. Ok I admit those are kind of neat. I don't want my truck to shut down because a dragon fly splattered into one of the front sensors and it created a 01101000 01100101 01101100 01110000 code, so the truck shuts down.

lack of innovation/long-in-the-tooth = to me this means very rare - Unicorn. Damn ....all my vehicles are unicorns. Tundra, 4Runner, 993. I am starting to see a pattern. 8^(, So I found a picture of my 1996 4Runner attached. It has more things in common with my 2017 4Runner than different. (laughing) Maybe this makes me feel more comfortable. But don’t think this makes it great engineering. Google 4Runner Neutral Safety Switch.
If I want tech I hop into my wifes outback if I want to go to the future. Its state of the art integration.
Toyotas poor cousin. Well ahead of others. You know who is crazier, more fanatical than Ford and Toyota people. I will tell you - Subaru people. I am not one of them. Man they rival Jeep people.

Sorry for rambling. You know as well as we do that the 3rd Gen is a complete re-design. A clean slate. I thought brand new down to every bolt but recently found out they borrowed the front stabiizer off the '21 Sport Tundra model. Yup.
I think what they are doing is really smart for a business model but its going to piss off some truck buyers (like me) and it did. Boo Hoo.
There is advantage in lower production numbers. Problems and issues get dealt with faster. Right ? 8^0
They.... 3rd Genner Tundra owners even have a popular youtuber helping to give a shout out to Toyota, to try to get into their ear, so they can get off their ass to deal with these issues. And Tundra forum people on this Switzerland thread are the starring members in the youtube.
You know who you are - lol .

https://youtu.be/rAyRCOYxdkE?t=2

 

To be clear, I wasn't implying the low tech was a bad thing, it's just not what I wanted in a truck this time around. We have had four 4Runners, two brand new in the last two years. And if you ask her today the '99 will always be my wife's favorite.

 

I like some of the new technology, but Ford is starting to do something that absolutely drives me crazy (that other automakers have started to do also), removing climate control buttons and knobs completely. It's likely a byproduct of their part reduction effort. Unfortunately, this is going to be the future on a lot of makes and models.

It's things like that which make me want to drive a dinosaur.

 

On which model?

 

Some/all of the streets down in Pittsburgh are pretty much off road. Was just down at AGH and good lord the wife's rav4 almost caught some air. The parking garage was pretty shitty too!

 

The newest Explorer for now. But its going to happen on more than just it. It is just a matter of time, it seems to be an industry trend. I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota does it also.

 

Now how did someone in a wheelchair get their anus that high up the wall?

 

Pissburghers (yinzers) are a resourceful people with an iron will to ruin things for everyone else.

@Kap1
@KroppDuster
@digitaljizz

 

Probably wasn't a handicapped person.
Mentally screwed up YES!
Pittsburgher oh most definitely!
I say a woman did that as my wife has told me the lady's rooms are far worse then the men's room.

 

Doesn't exist. No loaners and if it wasn't towed in it ain't broke! Reflash fixes everything oh dam don't get me started!!!

 

rotflmao 8^0
you guys "crack" me up

 

100%. Payload is far and away the biggest frustration for me. It has pushed many Tundra drivers into the HD world.

The half ton segment falls into the class 2 category: GVWR of 6,001 to 10,000 lb, My axle ratings sum to 8150 lb. Why must our GVWR be around the 7200 lb?

I like your idea of the heavier hybrid axle and GVWR without the excess weight that requires them to bump it up. ESPECIALLY since they refuse to enter the HD market. A Tundra that has the same curb weight (around the 5500-5900 lb range) with a GVWR of 8500 lb would be incredible. It probably wouldn't be as comfortable, though. We Americans demand our comfort.

I have seen door jamb numbers north of 2,000 lb on Ford and GM 4x4 crew cab half tons. THAT is how you make use of your tow rating in the half ton market. Toyota instead chose to offer gobs of low end torque while barely moving the payload needle and lowering the rear axle rating.

Yep. That's exactly what I love about it. Bulletproof old platform that can haul 7-8k and is good for a full size off-pavement. I'm not a tech guy, but my lowly SR5 has CarPlay, dual climate, lane departure alert, and auto high beams.

 

One area the Ford does seem to win, those aluminum body panels help keep payload up. My payload is just shy of 1600. A similarly optioned TRD Pro would be around 1350. My trailer tongue weight is around 600. Add wife, kids, carseats, The TRD Pro would only leave me with about 300-350 for gear. Other trims may be a little higher or lower, but on average the Tundy seems to be lower than the Ford.

 

Toyota payload frustrates me to no end.

I hate to say it, but I may end up in a Ford, too. I’d order an 7.3 F350 Tremor through Granger.

 

I held out really hoping the 3rd Gen's would get a decent payload bump.....but unfortunately they just won't work for our use.

I don't see Toyota ever trying to get to the payload capacities as other manufacturers at this point. The trend has been set for a long while now.

After that I said screw it and went with an F-350 7.3L, I'm done worrying about weights and how we load the truck for trips.

 

+1. I had this debate between a F150 and SD, but I don't know how much longer I will be tracking my car. If I don't need to ever tow a trailer over 5,000 lbs, I figured a 1/2 ton would suffice.

However, when I did consider a 1 ton SRW gas, I knew that for a flat bed car trailer, I could, practically, put as much weight as I wanted to on the tongue, laugh, and just roll out because it was more than enough truck.

 

thats how my transit 350 high roof is, you don't even think about what your loading, just throw it in it has so much capacity