The Truth About the 3rd Gen

Yeah, kinda like NASA. We had the technology back then to go to the moon but now in 2024 we can't because the technology was lost from back then. The engineers where smarter back then.

 

Back in the good old days!

Back when rifles had wooden stocks and people were afraid to say they were a commie in public!

I blame the Internet.

 

All I'm saying is that I wish Toyota would build a lineup of full sized trucks, so that people who need a truck can include Toyota (some folks really like(ed)Toyota products and don't want to be forced to the other brands). But they only build a single full size truck and you're stuck with whatever they do with it.
Also, it seems kids that have never used a truck before are designing all the new stuff. It's essentially a giant cellphone with wheels and you can tell it's a new generation/team working on the new Toyota stuff. Especially the Tundra. I don't care if they want to build an eco friendly, modern, hip version of the Tundra for all the people that don't actually need a truck, but want to buy one anyway (whatever TF that's al about). I get it. That's the person society is mostly comprised of now and they'd lose money if they didn't mold their products to them.
I just wish they would've expanded the tundra line and had more options for the remaining folks that still do real work for a living/for fun (like dinosaurs). It hurts my feelings. I feel like they don't care about me anymore and I'm going extinct. Man bun cell phone boys are taking over and I feel there's no one to leave the world to.

 

the office folk that wear Carhartt on weekends.

 

Most truck owners would be better off with a Sienna but will never admit it. Honda was smart using their Odyssey line for a truck, knowing this fact, rather than develop a body on frame truck with so much competition. Now look at Ford and Hyundai building car based trucks like the Maverick.

How many lifted trucks on 37s that you see without a spot of dirt or a scratch on them? All "image" sales.

 

You forgot pocket protectors and slide rules.

 

Exactly The BMW designers with man buns moved to Toyota now

 

the why does it have higher payload and towing, and much better towing performance than the older one? if that makes it not a "work truck" than what does that make the older one, a minivan?

I will say, to your point though, they could have given the higher GVWR of the hybrid to the non hybrid and called it a payload package, that would be a nice option for those that use 1/2 tons as "work trucks"

 

those guys built the oxcart, my fav... amazing at the time

 

Tailgate button - I've used mine three times
Front tow hooks - not an issue for me
Manual transmission - not as efficient as a 10s auto
Leaf springs - I wanted the linked suspension for the ride quality
Off road seats - I'll wager they turn out to be a gimmick
Aftermarket features - guarantee the aftermarket will provide what I want in the way I want it, not what Toyota thinks it should be
Powered tailgate - I'd prefer a completely unpowered tailgate

See? Not everyone wants the same things. I bet the people who didn't get what they want are more vocal than the people who did and have nothing to complain about.

 

ya this ^, I don't want a tacoma at all or leaf springs or a manual trans or off-road seats.

and one tailgate button is enough, works perfect use it all the time. I also prefer no power tailgate, I have enough power everything on this truck. I do love the power bed step, super nice!!

 

Those nerds worked at Ford.

 

Alright now Grammer police. You know it's goes down in here.

 

Well, let's face it, these tow number these trucks can supposedly tow are BS. My boat is 7200lbs and it's not fun towing it. Imagine if I towed my max? These manuf are just now playing a who can tow more game. When we all know somethings should be left up to 2500 or bigger. Supposedly the Tacoma can tow max of 6800lbs, yeah right. I want to see a taco towing 6800 going 70 down the highway or threw the mountains. That's 400lbs less than my 25" boat. That's my 25" boat with half it's tank full of gas. No fucking way will I tow my boat with a taco. As for the work truck aspect, the 3rd gen did shrink, and went backwards on some stuff that should have stayed the same or improved. Regardless, I don't use it for work, just for towing. So when the time comes to trade up, the 3rd gen will work for me just fine but I do see his point.

 

TBF, had there been no new tech/gen on the tundra and I didn’t want to be able to safely tow a ~4000lb travel trailer or boat then I would have gone with the Tacoma.

Then I would have been HUGE MAD at the new reramp of the tacoma.

*edit to add, towed a uhaul trailer with a camry on it and I hardly knew. Driving in ~20 degree weather with just the truck, the engine RPMs were way higher and it felt like it was struggling. Hybrid battery was not kicking in much below freezing.

 

This is the type of post I don’t want to reply to but I will. First of all Toyota checked the boxes of everything we all asked for in the old tundra and then some. I know…V8 and Tow hooks have everyone in a frenzy but it’s time to let that go. The engine is stronger and more efficient and it’s the only option. Look what people pay to add more power on the Hybrid that is just as efficient….$4000. Secondly the more options they add, the more the price goes up. EVERYONE is complaining about the price hike of these trucks so ya let’s complain that we didn’t get more and make them even more expensive. The Tacoma crowd will soon be complaining and saying the truck sucks because they’ve never seen a 55k Tacoma. Lastly, most people complaining in this thread are people again that don’t even have the third generation. I’ve had multiple second gen Tundras and I loved them all. To me so much better than any other truck out there, but this Tundra blows it a away in so areas. Most everyone that has one absolutely loves it, and they seem to appreciate it more coming from the old gen. The hate is crazy

 

I did notice lately that they are advertising the Tacoma a lot “The All New Tacoma!!”

 

Yeah, I don't like to reply either but I will also. Start of with less turning ratio, unmark that box, weaker front drive axles, uncheck that box, less interior, uncheck that box, less bed space, uncheck that box, not step on bumper for when tailgate is opened, uncheck that box, still no trans cooler, uncheck that box, more efficient, when, where, uncheck that box. I am sure I left some boxes that need to be unchecked. I paid $39k OTD for a base SR5. The same equivalent in a 23-24 is about $10-11k more. Tell me where Toyota put $10-11k more of checked boxes with all the unchecked boxes I just did. Let's not fool ourselves here and think Toyota did us a favor, for God sakes they remove power seat in the base SR5 that the previous gen had as standard equipment, uncheck that box also. By the way, Toyota just up their annual profit forecast after 3rd quarter beats expectations. Wonder why? And complaining about a $55k mid-size is expected and is ridiculous. Just like the starting price of a Sequoia. Doesn't matter if you have the money or not, just that's the price, doesn't mean it's worth it. But what do I know, I have a 2020.

 

I never said otherwise. I just made the meme after seeing a bunch of the complaints in the 3rd gen section.

 

Not sure why they skipped on rear console air vents on the Taco. My backseat passengers in my old Tacomas used them all the time. The floor vent likely will not be adequate.

 

I have am all on this too....

Things I want are a solid drivetrain that I understand can be shitty on gas.

What I have is a over developed ride with questionable quality control and still gets shitty gas mileage.
Not to mention all the BS that jacked the prices up on everything.
Between the cameras, technology and BS

Toyota you used to keep things simple and that philosophy make things reliable.
Did the folks from Lexus come over and say we know how to do things better by adding toys to jack the price up?

ugh.

 

For those complaining about the price, I'd like to suggest 2 thongs.

1. Look at the price jump back when the 2nd gen launched. New generation's always do this, so it wasn't unexpected. Unfortunate as it is, it was predictable.
2. The price hike isn't solely due to greed. The dollar is worth less now than whenever you bought your previous vehicle. Just the way it works when gooberment is allowed to spend like mad.

 

On the second gen tundra it's either air vents or cup holders. And with the cup holders you get a power plug but not with the vents. At least not on the SR5.

 

Well according to a inflation calculator the price of a $40k truck in 2019 is the equivalent of a $48k truck today. I might be wrong, but find me a tundra SR5 the sells for $48k OTD. But we do print money like it's nobody's business.

 

I'm just saying it's a combo of both. Inflation is only part of it. New generation's increase the price because all the R&D and retooling is expensive.... now for the tinfoil hat : where is that inflation calculator getting the data? If it's the same Muppets who are saying "there's no recession" then it's not worth much.

Finally, you're comparing what you bought your truck for how long ago to today? My 2019 MSRP was just under $48K but I got it for about $41K. Those savings were destroyed by stupidity, fear, and lies that crippled supply chains and many other things. Demand never dropped and vehicles still sold, so it is no surprise that dealerships, which are NOT Toyota, opted to stop giving the steep discounts of the past. Why would they when people will buy at the higher price?

 

On the 2.5 gen crewmax the vents are on the console and the cup holders are in the center arm rest.

 

I agree to that point, I have my own tow limits that are less than what any of the manufactures state. I also have a Transit 350 highroof if I need a real payload hauler.

I was just retorting to the constant point of some of the 2nd gen dudes here (not you specifically) when they knock the 3rd gen as not a truck or as capable of a truck, or elude to its not the same as the last gen regarding work duties, when in fact it has more payload and towing ratings than before, so what does that make the last gen they are defending?

I couldn't even get in my 2016 platinum crew max and still have 1,000lbs payload, not great, its was only 1,1xx lbs rated.

I will tell you though, this 3rd gen is HANDS DOWN better at towing than the last gen, the stability improvements are remarkable, maybe due the fully boxed frame and 8" wider at the rear frame, outboard shock placement, and load leveling system, Im not 100% sure.

but I bet if you dropped your 7,500 lb boat on a 3rd gen with the load leveling rear , you would be shocked how much better it does. Much more stable and with the two tow modes and 10 speed it really is big improvement.

 

Still just beta testing for the Taco.