2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

These million mile cases tend to be guys who drive for work and rack it up fast.


If I am paying for new tires and brakes and fluids basically once a year for 10-12 years I damn well better be able to advertise for the manufacturer and get a brand new vehicle out of the deal at the end of all that.

 

If I were to buy a half ton today it would still be the Tundra. It would be an SR5 with big fuel tank, tow mirrors, tow package (might be standard like 2.5 gen), Double cab 6.5ft bed, Trailer brake controller, Lumbar seating due to bad back and leg, no big radio since I don't need an IPAD and of course I want 4x4. I don't really care for 4x4 auto been fine without it and I can see nothing that will change that. Doesn't matter to me if the floor is flat or not and as far as the back up camera goes its actually pretty useful in hooking up but I am not reliant on it for everything else. I been reading this thread on and off and my two cents is while I am not exactly brand loyal and every brand has it's issues however, Toyota Customer service so far is much better than Fords when it comes to warranty and service. Toyota has a good rep with me much better than Ford and to me you have two trucks both capable but Toyota has the better Customer Relations and even though there are some Tundra issues overall better quality control.

I also want to put this out there even though due to reasons I am in half ton territory again doesn't mean I will get a half ton. For the price of these half tons I can easily get a 2500 Chevy 6.6 Gas for the same or less money and have a way better truck for towing and hauling. When the time comes on the next vehicle purchase I doubt Toyota will budge down to 45k I am willing to spend on a half ton same with Ford Ram or any of em for that matter so I am probably in a 2500 Chevy 6.6 Gas.

 

Do you have an additional vehicle registration cost in your state for 1 ton SRWs vs 3/4 tons? If not, I would just opt for a GM 3500 6.6 gas vice the 2500. The 3500 should not ride any worse when unloaded because the rear overload springs are not in contact with the frame.

While I do like the IFS design on the GM 2500/3500, I think they should have done more with the 6.6 L8T.

I think if I had to lean towards a gas HD, I would opt for the F-350 with the 7.3L Godzilla. One of the big reasons is that there is an aftermarket CARB approved gas tank that improves the fuel capacity to ~56 gallons.

 

I've thought the same thing about the GM 6.6 gas. . If you can still get one without the a.f.m., it's a hell of a truck.

 

I don’t think they put any of that nonsense on the HD lines.

 

Yes, totally agree….

 

I had a chevy that I loved.
I replaced everything but the chevy emblem.
Seriously, engine , transmission, exhaust , rear pumpkin, battery , alternator, wheel bearings, dash etc.
finally when the heater core went out I said Lord, Im tired. A little help please. I sold that truck and recently the new owner sent me pictures and
its still going after a much needed paint job. it will probably go 1 million miles but your going to work for it..

 

I think so yeah I am still a couple years or so away from another truck purchase but I think I did look this up and the 3500 had an additional reg cost in my state unless I was a farmer. I will have to look again though.

The GM 2500 and bigger trucks do not have cylinder displacement although I haven't had any issues with it in my Camaro but that being said the Camaro is not a truck and the engine has differences despite both the Camaro and Half tons having a 6.2 displacement.

 

My work vehicle is a F150 with the 5.slow, the flat floor is ok but not a huge deal to me. All I know is when off work, the Tundra is much nicer and was the same feeling with my previous 2.5 gen.

 

A work truck at my company is a Chevy Silverado and I felt like it drove more controlled and planted on the road then my 17 platinum. My 23 Tremor ride is unmatchable to any truck I’ve drove in my 35 years of life. Again preference.

 

Good for you. Good thing is I wouldn’t need to replace the 2.7 ten times. Its a fantastic motor.

what do you do thats so important that you cant cope with a single repair over 10 years, or 20 years? Must be super important. You probably should stop posting on a truck forum because its so important that your wasting time here instead of doing whatever it is.

 

Or manufacturer.

Also, I dont see why my life shouldn’t change enough over the years to where my needs in a vehicle are always the same. Ive owned my F150 for going on 9 years and my needs have changed and I’m considering other options.

I dont care if I can drive a truck 1,000,000 miles or even 300k. Now, my Chevy Bolt, if I can drive that 300k then I just saved myself $67500 vs driving said truck and that would be worth it to me. But ill have to keep it probably 15 years to get there.

 

ok

 

Staggering 2023 numbers. People love their pickup trucks. I’m surprised by how much Ram is behind the Chevy nameplate. I have seen videos of hundreds of Rams parked in dealer lots. How are people buying $95k US dollar 2023 parked trucks with 2024 trucks arriving ?
Tundra did well.
But what really stands out to me is Tacoma totally dominates its segment. It seem Toyota has the most to lose with the Tacoma in 2024 but all reviews I have seen on it are positive. Hell I even considered one last year.
Fullsize
1. Total GM (Silverado + Sierra) - 850,885
2. Ford F-Series (all) - 750,789
3. Chevrolet Silverado (all) - 555,148
4. Ram P/U (all) - 444,926
5. GMC Sierra (all) - 295,737
6. Toyota Tundra - 125,185
7. Nissan Titan - 19,189
Midsize
1. Toyota Tacoma - 234,768
2. Chevrolet Colorado - 71,081
3. Nissan Frontier - 58,135
4. Jeep Gladiator - 55,188
5. Honda Ridgeline - 52,001
6. Ford Ranger - 32,334
7. GMC Canyon - 22,458
Compact
1. Ford Maverick - 94,058
2. Hyundai Santa Cruz - 36,675
Electric
1. F-150 Lightning - 24,165
2. Rivian R1T - 12,000**
3. GMC Hummer EV Pickup - 2,400**
4. Chevrolet Silverado EV - 461
5. Tesla Cybertruck - **
** Estimated

 

In other

Full Size trucks numbers are exactly as expected. I remember a few years ago when the new Ranger came out and it was thought to be real competition to the Tacoma. It is clearly not a threat at all.

The Tacoma in the mid-size category is exactly the same as the F-150. People are just going to buy them based off of past loyalty regardless what product is thrown out for the most part.....

 

My biggest issue with my 2011 Tacoma was the seating position. A coworker just got a 2023 and it's the same - I don't think I could go back to that.

Supposedly, the 2024 improves upon that so it'd be interesting to drive one. Unfortunately, my ideal would be a Limited Hybrid Double Cab with the 6' bed, and I don't think they're making that combination.

 

New platform in '25, last couple years to get a Hemi in this most recent generation body.

Probably the same as Gen2 and 2.5 Tundra fans hearing a new platform with a TTV6 power plant is coming and chasing down leftover and used 2021 and older trucks with a hair on fire sense of urgency so they can find "Gen 3 engine problem" threads later and say "Thank god, this why I scooped up muh 5-7."

That's the power of nostalgia in this segment and maybe it's even stronger at Ram. Hell I even just read that for people who really can't cope the 15 year old Ram Classic platform will continue to be built new into 2025. They don't break down sales specifically to show those numbers but it seems to sell enough to keep that tooling around and operating 2 body styles later.

 

If Sweers did not hand over the '22 Tundra reins to new engineers and new thinking when he was promoted to CTO, I think we could have seen a V8 - 10 speed Classic Tundra model version.

 

Eh, I don't think the Tundra has the volume to justify that. Toyota prides themselves on an efficient assembly process and supply chain and as soon as you're making two completely different versions of the same model it'd hurt that. Plus, it'd be bad for CAFE.

Beyond that, the Ram Classic mostly exists as a $6k cheaper option for fleet sales like construction and utility companies. There probably aren't a whole lot of bare-bones Tundras purchased for that purpose.

 

Not a separate line we know they can't do that. I was thinking more if he was in charge the new Tundra would not have being brand new, down to every bolt. Who introduces 100% brand new during a pandemic. Green engineers. JMO.
Some parts might have been carried over to allow for the option.
Also all his versions were understated so I am inclined to think it would look different. Its all hearsay anyway.

 

I think they should have just kept the Gen 2.5 body and engine, added a 10 speed transmission, and a updated entertainment stack and left it alone. Call it gen 2.75 and revisit a redesign in 2030.

 

that was planned and being tested long before the pandemic, has nothing to do with "green engineers". They actually delayed it, it was supposed to be a 2021 in line with Toyotas 7 year production cycle.

the 5.7 wasnt going to meet emissions, it was DOA for the next gen, blame the EPA.

 

I get what you're saying, but I would be out on that, no interest in another refresh with the same shitty ride.

I can't even imagine the shit talking if they did another "Refresh" and called it new like 2014, they would have been killed over that.

the look, performance, and tech was getting dated

 

I apologize, my sarcasm didn't come across clearly, but my post was meant to be facetious. I enjoyed a lot of my Gen 3 Tundra, I imagine I'll be back for the mid refresh, I like the 3.4TT and redesigned suspension. Just waiting for all of the rattles and stuff to be ironed out and it will be a fantastic truck.

 

ok, sorry man, I didnt catch the internet sarcasm, that kinda surprised my coming from you, lol

I can delete my reply if you would like

 

they should have delayed it a little more. You have a prominent member on this forum who has bought his own engine to figure out what is going on. I'm pretty sure Toyota has their own version of AFM and they make enough vehicles overall to allow for the producton of a few lower mpg ones.

 

Lol all good my man, no need to delete anything. I enjoy this forum a lot, hence sticking around post ownership.

 

according to you right? 2.5 gen guy in a gen 3 section slamming Toyota's "green engineers".

you need better arguments, a handful of trucks out of 200-300K with a bearing problem doesn't mean they should have delayed the entire platform further just since you don't like the truck.

so Ford should have delayed theirs too right, they just did a recall to replace engines as well.

 

Also having bought my Ford in March 2022 I know that was still a COVID slow down year with little to no available inventory and frequent production shutdowns until the later months.

there were no Tundras in inventory near me and no Ford dealers had more than 3-5 trucks. Most order times were estimated at 4-6 months. I would guess there was some suppressed demand that got unleashed when things opened up late 2022 into 2023.

 

BB I suggest you contact the Admin and ask him to move this thread to another section. Its seems to be bothering you here.
I expect more from Toyota. Ford is pumping out 6 trucks to every Tundra. Its a numbers game for them.
Look at the Tacoma to understand how the Engineers shortchanged the Tundra.