2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

They are boat anchors, big and heavy gas burners. I had a powerstroke f150 at one point and it was a great truck over 500 ft lbs of torque and returned 28 mpg and 700 miles of range. Lol at who ever said the f150 has the same features as the tundra. The tundras tech is light years beyond sync and ford tech. The only thing f150 has going for it is the frame, fully boxed I call them railroad ties.

I get 18 mpg in my tundra now and that is fully loaded trdor

 

That was me who said it. What features does the tundra offer that the f150 lacks? I did made a comparison list before I bought my truck and there were 3 or 4 dealbreaker things the tundra didn’t offer so I went with the Tremor.

I can get 20 mpg with 35s and 3.73s if I baby it btw, 17-18 is more realistic though.

 

The way I read it is the features are similar but the tundras work better.

 

Unfortunately Toyota blew it with the 3rd Gen. Heated steering wheel in a pickup? HUD? Come on.

Strong disagree. The heated steering wheel is something I never knew I’d appreciate so much. Heated seats are a must. Wisconsin weather!

 

for those that live winter.
They tout and focus on the new Tundras Ride, handling, and safety and then do not give you Auto 4WD for your family in winter - like the Tacoma. Rear wheel drive pickups - light rear end - are total crap in winter weather.
Everyone I know that has no 4AUTO waits until they are slipping to engage.
Real safe.
Don't even discuss no proper Bed Access in such an expensive vehicle.

 

Agree with the need for auto-4wd. That was sure nice in my last truck, a Silverado. I don’t get the bed access complaint. Step up, jump up, sit on tailgate. Not a concern at all for me.

 

Service department is small. I may be wrong on the few hundred per truck but point is it’s slim margins, they make money by massive volume

 

This is the real Bar for jumping. Toyota missed it.
If I am paying $75k and up for one of these vehicles I expect similar features to be able to access the back 50% of the vehicle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNe9117wgYY

 

Auto 4wd sounds nice but if it bloats the price another couple grand I can press a button just fine.

 

Sync 3 and 4 is crap, the Tundra has a larger screen with digital rear view mirror, front trail camera, and the off road package adds terrain full 360 cameras. The collision avoidance and lane keep assist systems are better as well. The torque rating is higher in the hybrid. The bed light and cab lights are better overall. Also the Tundra doesn't use low cost bidder UAW parts which are plastic plus an actual locking full cap is nice to have.

The F150 is the most sold popular truck in America, after three of them I was ready to try something else. The Sony sound system I had in my first raptor was better than anything BO ever produced. I don't understand why they couldn't go with a better audio source.

 

Auto is much less durable, and it is really convenient , but the only use case I see for it is in winter driving after a snow storm, where variables include dry, paved roads that were plowed, and all the various states of snow and ice from there. Otherwise, you should probably be in full time or out full time. Obviously Toyota has a 4WD system full time in the Landcruiser . That is a very heavy duty system, but the main concern probably from Toyotas perspective is that they trouble hitting CAFE standards maybe? Full time 4WD really kills fuel efficiency.

 

I don’t know about everyone else, but I sure would like to know how your liking that 3.0 duramax? I have been interested in these as well. What sold you on it over the new tundra?
Thanks!

 

New here after stalking for about six months. My 2012 Rock Warrior has 142k and been ridden hard and put away wet. Bought new 1/2012. However, after driving 2024 Tundra, Ford, and Chevy, the last couple of days none seem to be all that much better than ye ol ‘Black-Ho’.
She’s been a decent ‘ho’ but had strange issues as well- shift control module went twice, the brake module thingy rusted right of frame. Also just fixed ABS sensors that again, lifted(rusted) away from mount point, actually had to remount and at same time power steering pump/cooler. Now the rear ABS is throwing code. Upon replacing, still coded. After close inspection the sealed axel shaft bearing has shifted slightly, rubbed the sensor. Grrrr! But like I said, been ridden hard and put away wet… hence the name ‘Ho’.
The simple questions:
1- Bannerman mentions ‘invoice’ while most mention ‘msrp’. Are those different? If so, is invoice usually x% below msrp?
2- What is OR mentioned often?
3- What is HUD?
4- Would you gen3 owners still buy the Tundra?

 

Wife’s Grand Cherokee has full time auto 4wd / AWD. Not a hiccup in 160k miles. Not sure how “less durable” the systems are. Someone with a Seqouia (has auto / full time 4wd) may chime in about all their 4wd system failures. But I haven’t heard them yet……

 

This is it exactly

 

Pretty sure most of these systems have full 4wd modes as well, such as the sequoia and the grand Cherokee and the Silverado and the F150. Having an auto mode doesn’t make it inherently less durable. If used in 4auto all the time, likely additional wear and tear. If used in 4hi or 4lo, same setup as what’s in ours. The 4auto is a nice addition for those that live in snowy climes, not having to switch in and out and risk either system damage or sliding off the road. Anyone trying to rock crawl on monster tires complaining about the stock systems are the minority.

 

I kind have would have liked to have a Lariat to get the auto 4wd but it just didn't work that way buying off a lot during COVID shortages and not wanting to wait from a year to infinity to get a special order truck. Or go a year and find out I was cancelled and had to put in new paperwork.

I've done part time systems for 20 years so no biggie. I monitor roads in snow and switch to 4hi when I can see I'll need it soon and out when I hit a long stretch of plowed salted roads.

Really would rather have had it to take the guess work out for the wife but she drove the Tundra in inclement weather using the system properly for a decade without messing up. After some time with it I honestly just wish they would have done a separate switch for the electronic rear locker instead of having you push the 4wd button in.

Everything was running a close race in my comparison for final choice with me going back and fourth driving my wife nuts but in all honesty I was sold on my powerboost when the salesman popped the tailgate and I saw the 5 outlets on the bed. Said before, Toyota telling people the focus groups nixed that only to have one pop up on the Tacoma telegraphs the real thought process.

The broken pavement ride quality once I got it on a variety of roads had me feeling some buyer's remorse for about 800-1000 miles but then the shocks broke in and the handling/compliance compromise became fine for me.

*Broken record*: I don't think the Tundra is a bad truck but it was just not what I held my 09 longer than I really wanted to hoping for.

 

My past 2018 lariat I used 4wd auto alot at first then realized it was the same as my old crv is that it's more of an temp assist. Light throttle pulling out the rears spin then the system builds up pressure to engage the clutches, to me that's only getting you started other that that your in 2wd. Also that transfer case holds only a qt if I remeber so I changed out the oil twice in 40k and It was really beat up the first 10k using 4wd auto and then using 4wd hi 10k later it wasn't as bad vs before. Clutches cause alot of heat and only 1 qt the fluid it gets cooked.

*a little over 2 qts*

 

I paid $54 not $75 plus.
I’m over the half century mark so not young. Philosohy: I am able and will continue to push myself physically with everyday chores, etc. I cut wood, hike, bike, build things, etc. Keeping active and pushing yourself physically is so important.

 

Very in shape 43 year old here. An occasional unassisted hop into the bed is no biggie. But when we are packing and unpacking to hit up the shore rental I greatly appreciate my full width bed step as that hop gets old fast after the first 2-3 times to rearrange things and get at stuff towards the cab.

 

I was ok with the Ford tailgate step. As I got older I became concerned if my foot slipped I would get seriously hurt and useless with anything hitched up. I'm happy with the simple step toyota has plus I can lower the air down to get a couple inches closer to dirt. I can also reach into the bed unlike ford's was up too high.

If a tailgate is your most important priority then go for the chev BUT as always your going to pay top $ for that option right?

I went back to reliability as my Ford went south real fast after 5 years.

 

Yeah I agree the narrowness of it is not ideal. A vertical ledge in the front of it forming an L with the horizontal piece to butt your tow against to provide at least a little more reassurance wouldn't have been hard to add. Would have been a simple but appreciated tweak to add to the new 2024 multifunction gate but I don't think they did.

 

Actually never mind I guess they completely nixed the retractable step on the multi function gate now that the barn door option allows the bumper step to serve that function.

 

Invoice is generally lower than MSRP
OR is short for Off Road
HUD is Heads Up Display
Can’t answer the last question .

 

Getting into the bed, if my leg slid under the tailgate and I lost grip on the handle that would probley lead to a serious injury as I'm in my later 50's. Everything has its + and -. Hate to see how much $ to replace a crunched one from Chev?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_co....com/&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

 

Just found a couple in the 3k range online.

 

@mass-hole

Idea of putting Toyota Fulltime 4wd. Torsen Diff. on Tundra
can I have your opinion.

My theory is
1) They are not going to put the RAV4/Highlander AWD system in a full size pickup truck.
2) Could the reason they don't make 4Auto an option on Tundra, is because the Toyota Full time 4wd System with Torsen Diff would need to be used. (4runner Limited, Lexus GX, Land Cruiser) is on all time you can't dis-engage..... and there are challenges with the distances between the front and rear axles ? or is this a non-issue thx.
Unlike the GM Ford Ram (Jeep) system where 4 Auto is a front diff that is not engaged until you push the button. All other times the 4Auto mechanism in front diff. is just along for the ride. Closed systems like the Toyota Fulltime 4wd are more reliable than even the part time systems, as if you do not use the part time systems they seize up.

@Eurodriver
4Runner Limited comes with 20 inch wheels. You can remove them and store until you resell, and put on 18 inch wheels with whatever tires you want.

I am in Canada - they are 30% more. Unless you are in Canada ? then smoking deal that was. I am into fitness, a long distance runner and run everyday. I also love my drivers door grip to get into my truck. Everyone screams at me to get running boards. Not happening. When I can no longer hoist myself up I will sell it. till then.

 

Ouch. That’s spendy.
The GM multi tailgate doesn’t come on all trim levels. You pay for it. Toyota could certainly have that option on the upper trim levels.

 

Let’s not try to pretend the lack of 4A into anything other than a cost cutting measure. It’s ridiculous not to have it as an option on the higher trims, especially when Toyota/Lexus already has 4A systems on this platform. As far as less durable, the 4A case in my Tremor is the same as the Raptor which spins 35/37” tires with no issues in Baja conditions. Not that all 4A systems are that robust but they can be made to be.

 

My Sync version (4?) has been fine. That “larger” screen looks like an afterthought the way it poke up above the dash instead of being flush, 360 cameras and front trail cam is standard in the higher trims, source on the collision and lights being better?, torque is higher on hybrid, lower on non hybrid and they are both much heavier than F-150 and only offer 3.31. But different strokes for different folks as they say.