I still don't get the Hybrid advantage?

Depends, it could go fast or it could be a while. It is usually a combination of putting around city driving, hitting a drive through, or just idling. They will drain the battery fast since you are basically a Golf Cart once it hits Hybrid and it will stay that way till you are able to get some regeneration going. I tell my wife all the time that it is a Golf Cart under 30 mph or so. It is cool sometimes to feather the throttle to engage hybrid then see how long you can keep it there. It will really increase your mpg the more you are able to stay in it.

 

Toyota gets to charge your more for it

 

It's takes while to not wig out when speedo says 60mph with 0 oil pressure.

 

Not sure that is entirely true. Averaging the differential in curb weight between the Gas and HV trims the increase averages about 7.6%. The lowest is the 4x2 Limited standard box with a net increase of 5.9% and the worst being the 4x4 Limited with short box at 9.5%. The benefit is a 12.3% increase in HP and a 21.7% increase in torque.

It should also be noted that the HV gives you a much beefier rear end. The rear axle is completely different between gas and HV models with the HV version being much larger. The ring gear alone grows from 9.7" diameter to 10.7".

 

Becomes a game lol .....I have got kicking in the hybrid at will finally figured out

 

Not as easy if you have big allterrain tires, I would like to get a road ply next time maybe 116ts or similar.

 

It's a good thing Toyota makes many Tundra flavors to choose from. I don't think there's a wrong answer on how you spend your own money.

 

I run a Nokian 33 AT in SL 4 ply. I dont have any problem Had enough of banging around on E rated tires my whole life. I did read somewhere so one went to 35 and took them off as the hydbrid system didnt like it

 

Huh. Didn't know this. Good info!
That's probably part of how they keep the same payload ratings between hybrid and non-hybrid. It's almost like the people saying "Toyota arbitrarily changes the payloads so the hybrid doesn't look bad" type of comments may not know what they are talking about.

 

That's for the extra torque. 583 ft lbs headed to a one-wheel-peel is a lot.

Toyota arbitrarily changed the GVWR of the 2nd gens from 6900 to 7200 lb. No different parts numbers for brakes or springs or axles. They did it to give the heavier crewmax trucks (particularly higher trims) roughly the same payload as the others.

But yes, it would be interesting if the brakes, springs, etc are different parts numbers on the hybrid models. Is the rear GAWR significantly different on the hybrid?

 

I looked at it and think the Hyrbid is 400 or lbs heavier than the non hyrbid

 

Found it.

So the hybrid rear GAWR is rated 220 lb higher. I’d be curious if the hybrid rear springs are different part numbers.
Or if it’s just Toyota taking advantage of the margins they build in to these trucks.

It is odd to me that the even the hybrid rear axle is rated lower than the previous Tundra (4150 lb), 200 series Land Cruiser/LX570 (4300 lb), and 2nd gen Sequoia (4280 lb).

 

Your figures are off unless you are talking per axle, The Tundra gas burner is roughly 6800 lbs and the hybrid Limited tundra is around 7200.

 

Rear GAWR = Rear Gross Axle Weight Rating

 

Hey, so I'm a bit surprised by your post. I too thought that one of the main points of this hybrid is to help increase fuel economy around the city. When you take off from a stop sign, hybrid system helps you get going as long as you're driving gently, then engine kicks in eventually - so this saves you lots of fuel, doesn't? Then when you're braking for another stop sign or traffic light , the battery will try to recharge a bit, right?

Sure, I understand that if you do this a lot, with lots of traffic and lots of using the battery, then eventually it'll deplete and will just use gas engine.

If you're a taxi driver and have to drive through the city stop and go all day long, in bad traffic, yes your battery probably will die after half hour and you'll be using gas engine... But for a regular, non brutal traffic city commute, I would hope it'll help a lot with mpg?

I don't own a hybrid, but did test drove one for several hours around the city, and the electric motor was kicking in all of the time helping to save gas. My drive to work is about 35 minutes to San Francisco downtown via city streets, and my non-hybrid gives me about 12-13 mpg regular non crazy driving. When I tested hybrid for several hours, I got 19-20mpg as electric motor was kicking in all of the time...

So I was really looking forward upgrading to hybrid, and better mpg was one of the reasons. That was until I saw your confusing statement that hybrid isn't good for city streets and traffic

 

This was shown on tfl truck. The hybrid system is only used in the beginning of their climb then it stays off for the remainder of their climb. So is it really helping I don’t think so.
But would love to hear real world users. I can’t find anything on YouTube besides tfl showing a hybrid vs non hybrid towing the same loads up the same hill.

 

I have not towed with a non-hybrid. But my hybrid towing is pretty impressive. I towed a two horse trailer, with two horses, and the trailer had one flat tire. And you couldn’t even tell the trailer was there.

 

For me, it was simple. I always buy the most torque a truck offers. Price does not matter...if there is a box to check for more power, I'm going to check it.

Now, a tough choice for me would be betwen GM's 6.2 and their 3.0L diesel. I'd likely pick the diesel b/c I dislike the NVH when towing from a gas V8.

 

Just going by provided numbers.

Looks like a gain of…

48 hp
189 torque
10% mpg
.4 seconds 0-60

Those are pretty hefty gains. I would almost ask how do you NOT get a hybrid?

Also, the most advanced car in the world, a Formula 1 race car, is a turbo hybrid. Produces about 850hp with an additional 160hp from the hybrid system.

 

I think you answered your own question, if you are in heavy stop and go traffic in a city then it is a disadvantage. If you are in light city traffic and able to drive 5 miles plus at 30 plus mph then stop it can be an advantage. The hybrid results depends upon how much you are able to stay in it. Honestly for me I drive a combination of interstate and city driving which is perfect for me. If I did only heavy inner city driving then I would look for either an all electric truck or a plug in hybrid.

 

It could run on hybrid 50% of time and people would still say it is useless. Unless they have one.

 

If I didn't need the people room I would have bought a Tacoma. I had enough of trying to stuff 6'4" people in the back of my FJ Cruiser but I do miss just whipping into a parking space! LOL

Brad

 

They lost me with the no underseat storage, I really wanted that this time around after my 16 had 0 storage

 

That is a deal breaker for me. My rear underseat compartments are full up!

Brad

 

Exactly. I find it funny the people who's personal choice was NOT to have a Hybrid come on here and argue over and over to a person who's personal choice was TO buy the Hybrid. Next week they will bitch about the colour you chose.

 

Was anyone getting salty or out of line in this thread?

i just thought it was a discussion on hybrid pro and con and what made peoples choices, just a normal truck forum thread

 

Looks like decent discussion to me. Just opinions being shared.

 

My experience, YMMV.
There are actually gas mileage savings up to around 75 mph or so, I've found, when in cruise control - the computer presets the motor shutting off and going to battery whenever it's on flats or coasting down hills.

I found the take-offs with the hybrid noticeably quicker feeling then the non-hybrid models I test drove. The non-hybrid is no slouch, but the hybrid version has a bit more snap to it, it feels to me.

It wasn't easy to find, but I found a 2023 1794 w/ TRD hybrid. Love driving that truck. (I've had a Gen 1 2000, and a Gen 2 2011. both SR5 TRD Dblcab 6.5' box.)

 

If I ever get a 1794 upgrade you can be damned sure I would get the hybrid. The power and torque is seducing.

 

think he might be mistaking while I accidently tried to justify the Hybrid to a troll which no one on here replies to for a reason.