I still don't get the Hybrid advantage?

the rav prime does have a generator but needs to be something like 3 hours of highway diving to charge the ev side of the battery which I can understand not being very convenient for city use.
i have considered ditching my truck for a prime but cannot stomach the ground clearance or payments.
I have also heard that once the ev portion of the battery is used up it becomes a bit of a dog due to the extra weight.

 

You raise another good point. Price. How much more does the prime cost than the others? Would we be looking at an $80K Tundra before options if it had the bigger plug in set up? People already don't like what they cost. That'd be a bitter pill, and further diminish the "savings" of better fuel economy.

 

Already, have one. If I can't go zero to sixty in under 4 seconds, or the quarter mile at 10-12 seconds then I don't want it. LOL

The Tundra Hybrid is legit.

 

Just to keep things factual this is not true. I owned one for a year. Once EV is unavailable due to low battery (it doesn’t let you use the last 10-15%) it just runs in Hybrid mode with all 300+hp still available. It’s plenty fast for what it is.

The plug in hybrid tech is very different with eCVT and motor generators and although very efficient that design would be horrible for a Tundra. Having a torque fill electric motor between the engine and trans like the Tundra uses is great for torque fill but probably not ideal for full EV use. Also the Tundra is quite inefficient in weight and aero and would take a huge battery and motor upgrade just to get up a decent hill at 45 mph. Tech isn’t quite there yet for that kind of reliable EV power without weighing a literal ton extra, need bigger components, and could cost significantly more (think EV hummer). I love the Hybrid Tundra for what it is, and bought a 23’ Prius for what it isn’t.

 

Yes the Hybrid system sucks in major city stop and go traffic, this is not its intended use. It is intended for large highway stretches and towing. Does it make a difference? maybe 5-8% over the normal gas burner but the power off the line is noticeable.

 

I thought that was 100% the point of the hybrid in the Tundra. Make torque. In traffic this will be the most noticable. Lots of need to get off the line. Long highway stretches where the engine is already on boil and the turbos are spooled does not really need the hybrid.

 

but the truck isn't even close to that fast but you own it?

I don't really have a dog in the fight, but I think its been shown the hybrid isn't any faster 0-60 or 1/4.

 

More torque and more horsepower.... It better be faster.

 

yes, but also more weight

there was some times posted here at one point and they are basically the same, the hybrid falls on its face after it launches due to the extra weight.

maybe someone can find them and re-post

to be clear, I don't really care as I don't race and the non-hybrid is plenty for me, but its interesting to talk about. I think it weighs almost 500 lbs more

 

The hybrid smoked a 6.2 liter Denali and he was laid on it hard. I would imagine it could handle a non Hyrbid with ease. They test the trucks as they sit, in normal mode side by side. More HP and Torque equals more, it is fast and I have walked Superduty F150 power strokes in it up to a point. It like the Raptors I have owned gets floaty around 95ish plus mph.

 

Today I learned I don't need a hybrid if I buy a Gen 3..
I'd rather have the under seat storage anyway..

 

Maybe you are not understanding, to recharge the battery the wheels must be spinning, or the truck must be braking. The truck must be moving for extended periods of time. If it sits in stop and go traffic the battery will drain and it will go into fail safe mode and bypass the electric motor altogether.

 

As a total power whore, if this was true I’d be in line for one right now! Unfortunately, it’s not.

 

or you could see its tail lights for it is the best Tundra ever built. Wonder why Toyota based its best selling truck ever on it. The Tacoma looks like a baby Tundra and even has its hybrid system.

 

True my truck isn't that fast but my STI and 240sx swapped sr20det is that fast or faster. The truck for a truck is very fast and while I have not tested it, they are supposed to be as fast as a Raptor. The Raptor R is a different thing altogether.

 

Today I learned I don't need a hybrid if I buy a Gen 3.
I'm way beyond street racing idiots, if you're into it, God Bless.

 

How about mud racing or gravel racing idiots?

Has anyone ever said no thank you to more HP, bigger powertrain or more torque?

 

Yes, me, it doesn't fit my needs, I do neither of those things.
So, no thank you..

That said, I wouldn't buy a Gen 3 Tundra anyway....

 

Yes, I noticed that there is a difference on here from the older v8 owners to the newer generation owners. Same thing happens on most forums when the new models come out. The OG owners generally always hate on the new Gen owners. Most cases on the Corvette forums, WRX forums, Raptor forums, Explorer forums. Doesn't matter everyone wants to rep their older rides until they eventually adopt the newer model or move onto another brand altogether.

 

You know it's funny;
I read through this thread this morning because I thought I might learn something and I did.
If I were to buy a Gen 3, it may happen but it's going to be awhile, I don't need a Hybird.
Then I posted as such.

I favor my Gen 2.5 because it's paid for and fits my needs.
It's a plain and simple facts on what works for ME..
It's my money I would be spending, not yours.

But it sure has seemed to get your panties in a wad.
I have no hate for you and your Gen 3 Hybrid, I don't give a fuck what you drive.
Why on God's green earth would you care what I drive and spend my money on?
You've made 3 worthless posts on my behalf..

 

Lol, I could care what you drive, could care less. I never attacked you driving your older generation Tundra. I do understand having a paid for vehicle as truck/ car notes do suck. With all due respect you came here posting not me, I have never made another post into any other subforum on here other than the 3rd Generation forum. I am not on your lawn, have not crossed your lawn nor made any comments about your lawn but yet here you are in this forum reading about 3rd gens.

 

good to know.
Why did you sell it so soon?

 

So I'm not allowed into the Gen 3 threads since I don't own one?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

I came to this thread to learn about the hybrid.
I learned I wouldn't need one.
But you quoted my post trying to tell me the hybrid is better, only because you have one.
With all undue respect, because you don't deserve it, you dragged m into your little hybrid, road racing, mud and gravel dogging bullshit.

You quoted me, telling me I was wrong for not wanting a hybrid.
You are on my lawn, you quoted my post to spout your ignorance..

You are one of the dumbest members I have ever encountered on this forum.
Congratulations.

 

Well, gee I am probably all those name calling things that lowlife said I am. I appreciate it, everybody likes what they drive or else they wouldn't drive it. I am not going into the other Sub model threads looking to pick fights with other members nor responding to anymore comments from their posts.

 

I feel like I’ve walked onto the set of Gran Torino.

 

Nobody needs the Hybrid or has to have the Hyrbid. They get the Hybrid due to the fact that it makes more power, is more tech, and the newest thing. If you just want a work truck do not buy the Hyrbid as it is a waste of money. If you want 587 ft. lb. of torque and like the added power then it is for you. I told my wife I would get the normal truck but fell in love with the hybrid power and mo power is always better. It has its advantages and its disadvantages, a main one being the added registration fees for a Hybrid which gets very little better mpg than the non Hybrid models.

 

When I was shopping, test drove both hybrid and non hybrid 1794's. My application is nice weather 3rd vehicle, heavy snow primary and dedicated towing of 3500# boat or 7K# car hauler.
I was coming from a LS2 Saab 9-7x Aero. Non hybrid can clearly meet my applications.

Think of the hybrid as nothing more than a 50shot of N2O to get it moving off the line with benefit of auto refill.

However, the most important is wife driving and she loved the immediate power of the LS2, has zero tolerance for hesitation. After driving both, is was the hybrid or find a GM with the 6.2. I wanted to try a Toyota - have a 1794 hybrid in the driveway. The hybrid does not have the responsiveness of the LS2, it's much closer than the non hybrid. Will say, much better tow vehicle that the Aero, likely due to increased size.

A happy hybrid owner.

 

An extra 100 Lb ft of momentary torque, of which 75 Lb ft are needed to lug around the extra hybrid weight.

 

I get it. But that will take a while. How long does it take to kill the battery in stop and go traffic?