2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I have 35s on mine and it did take a big mileage hit, but I do better than 13. On Hwy under 65mph I get 19+, even 20 still, but hwy over 65 is more like 17.5-18.5. Mixed driving is 17-17.5

 

Ok, that's about, maybe slightly worse, that my Tremor gets, but sounds perfectly normal. Dude must have a lead foot or something. He runs premium too.

 

Who knows, I'm getting 15 with mine - she sits on 35's. Also, when people bring up gas mileage my first thought is always - "Did you buy for the fuel mileage?"

 

Second Blackstone report, this last 5000 miles was spent towing 6000+ pounds about 20% of the time. All values improved from last oil change.

 

Yeah mileage is subjective. Some vehicles get better than others. Sometimes its the driver. I get better mileage than my neighbor with a new Acura MDX A-Spec, but he drives like he stole it and its always in Sport+ mode.

 

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is investigating more than 708,000 trucks and SUVs built by Ford and Lincoln due to reports of a "catastrophic engine failure." The vehicles included in the investigation are all powered by a turbocharged EcoBoost V6.

NHTSA officials opened an investigation into approximately 25,000 units of the Bronco in June 2022, and it launched an engineering analysis that includes five other models in September 2023. Working with Ford, the Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) discovered 328 customer complaints about a sudden engine failure, (including field reports), 487 warranty claims, and 809 engine replacements related to an issue with the valvetrain. The agency blames the problem on "multiple factors" that can cause the intake valves to break.

 

At least provide a source.

Ford clarified that the defective valves were made with a type of alloy called Silchrome Lite, which "can become excessively hard and brittle if an over-temperature condition occurs during machining of the component." The firm added that repairing the damage caused by a broken valve usually requires replacing the engine, but it notes that the problem commonly manifests itself early in a vehicle's life. It believes that the majority of failures have already happened. Valves manufactured after October 2021 are made with a different alloy called Silchrome 1.



Edit: only engines potentially affected are 2.7L and 3.0.

 

Atleast Ford has the backbone to address the issue. Rather than Toyota’s tight lips…

 

I’m really afraid it’s an issue with fuel intrusion to the engine oil…..

 

My 3.5 is safe …… for now

 

The Bronco has had a rough go of it. 15 recalls on 2022 and 2023 models. The expense of the rework is huge.

 

If I had to chose one 1/2 ton power plant to trust it would be the 3.5Eco. Great proven motor.
The electronics and dealer support, not so much.....
UAW strike not helping with hanging up any parts that weren't already in transit.

 

fuel intrusion or the oil squirters, perhaps bad check valves.

Heck even Dodge was upfront with the valve followers going bad on their Pentastar V6. Which due to dust contamination, sourced out of “China” ( said Trump). Which could be mitigated by replacing them with US made valve followers a la USA.

Never had any issues with my Plumb Crazy Charger, I put some Hellcats on the fenders good for an extra 50 hp, I dubbed it the Bobcat.

But I knew what to expect. I also changed oil viscosity to 0W-30. Ran a lot better, I’d drive it spiritedly. Gave it one last hard run to trade her in for the Tundy. Nice 9 hour drive with about 70k on the clock.

But Toyota keeping tight lipped does not sit good with me. I’m all about accountability. I wish Toyota would just fess up, I’d have alot more respect for them as a company.

 

I assume you mean one current power plant.

If we include discontinued ones, 5.7 all the way.

 

Are they being tight lipped or have they not been able to figure out the root cause of the problem?

 

I find it very hard to believe they don’t know what the culprit/ root cause is….

Especially what has drawn us all to Toyota, their QC/ R&D. This motor has been running in Japan also. I’m sure every motor that has taken a shit is sent over to them to dissect inch by inch. As Joe Biden said “ come on man”

 

So he said goodbye to the F150 Limited and in with the GMC Sierra Denali. Pros and Cons
He chose this new GMC two year lease instead of having to fork out money for new tires on the F150 and an extended warranty. He puts a lot of highway mileage on so ride and amenities are the most important factors. He considered the new Tundra.

GMC Denali – He wanted the diesel engine but it was not available. Better more compliant ride. Camera system better. Small Gas Tank. Power side steps actually pivot backwards for rear seat passengers. (What else are they going to come up with?) Seats not as good as the F150 but the ride is better. Back tail gate provides for a lot of options for partial and full access to the bed. Says he prefers it to the Ford system. He is already used to the weird gear selector.

F150 Limited – says it tracked better with no hands on steering wheel on the road. Better Fuel Economy with the 3.5 Turbo but…. now he says he notices the turbo lag it had compared to the 6.2 L. His F150 Limited was not hybrid with no power on board option.
The GMC has a tighter turning circle he noticed this here at the property.
Worth noting the female in this discussion considers the Ford in this comparison more of a luxury truck inside and this GMC more a regular truck. Better not let her in my ’18 Tundra. 8^0

Apparently the GMC Denali “Ultimate” is the direct competitor. Well this thing was $92k plus 13% tax. But he got $13K off MSRP and says he made a few thousand on F150 trade in.
Tundra
He considered the Tundra. Says he really likes the exterior styling but doesn’t like the interior with the exposed head unit and considered the cabin materials cheap in look and feel in comparison. Not sure what Tundra model he looked at it and was referring too. Just the messenger
He has no loyalties to any brand. He represents to me a modern buyer – not old school truck/truck guy like me. He is looking for amenities and willing to pay for them and this is a short relationship. Warranty important then you are gone if competitor is better. Long term durability not a factor.

 

Oh bullshit. Ford disclosed because they had to. NHSTA has been investigating for over a year on this issue.
Toyota will disclose when they have to as well but the 3.5TT failures are not at a high enough rate for NHSTA to force the issue. Yet.
The recall rate on Ford products is dizzying.

 

Nope. I'm taking about the 3.5 Ford Eco. I think it's better than the 5.7 and 5.0 were and I've owned both.

 

Of course they do.
Toyota or any other manufacturer is under no obligation to provide full and free information on every defect. In the age of social media/forums that can spin up a hangnail into needing a heart transplant I think most, if they were making the call, would be very careful about how and what information is disseminated.
They do have an obligation to adhere to warranties. As near as I can tell, they are doing that.
IMO, all the 1/2 and 3/4 tons are flawed in some way. I currently like GMC's the best but I couldn't pull the trigger on one after visiting two dealer service departments and seeing the number of zombies trucks waiting for parts or outcomes. Getting worse now due to the UAW. Toyota had the lowest ratio of dead stuff.

 

Now that they have gotten past that cam phaser issues, I would agree with this. The 3.5 Ecoboost has generally been a solid motor with the exception of the timing chain stretch on the 1st gen(solved with better motor oils, and a shorter chain on the 2nd gen) and then the cam phasers on the 2nd gen, which were a Borg Warner design.

People like to hate on them, but there are a LOT of F150's out there with 3.5L Ecoboost and people keep coming back for more.

After owning the GX460 with the 1UR-FE. I dont care about owning a V8 anymore. Its cool, and sounds great, but the F150 Ecoboost just drives SOOOO much nicer with the torque down low even though its on 35's and weighs a solid 1300 lbs more. And this is doubly true because I am at 6500' of elevation. Ill sacrifice a little turbo lag and some reliability for a better driving experience. I actually want to not hate driving my cars believe it or not.

 

There is a guy on the GXOR group on FB stomping his feet over the fact that the new GX550 has the Japan made 3.4L TT. He had an LS500 that had the motor grenade on him and therefore they all suck.

 

That's interesting. Most reviews have it the other way around as in the F150 has next to the most compliant ride with the most compliant ride being the Ram 1500.

 

Yes, the 3.5 EcoBoost is largely considered a mature engine at this point. Almost all of the problems have been worked out.

 

The recent Truck King review top F150 and GMC also found the GMC smoother. Its subjective - he is a rounder type guy. I am not a fan of the "old man balls rear suspension" on the GM trucks. Those shock absorbers just hanging down there like that, (and rear brake line driver side. Whats with that) but I'm sure the middle shock placement contributes to the softer ride. My son has a work Sierra that I have driven - same thing - its very smooth.
This is the first dash layout from GM that looks good to me. I have to admit when he touched the back end of the side step and it shifted backwards for the rear passenger ..... sheesh. All those auxiliary motors, pulleys, electronics. No way these trucks are anything but short term warranty plays for me now if I was to get one. Guess I will stick with my dinosaurs 18 Tundra 17 4Runner.

Something else I remember.
He said that the F150 Limited when coming out of the trail on the 90 degree bender up with ruts in Auto 4wd - the back end would shift on the F150, whereas he said the GMC stayed planted in Auto 4wd.
My Tundra (doesnt have Auto 4wd) in 2wd feels really loose same parts of the road, but when I engage 4wd which locks it - it is like a lizard on the trails with the Open C frame at the back. Seriously planted feels glued to the road.

 

Yes they added one more exhaust manifold bolt in gen 2 because the turbos mounted to the exhaust manifolds would break manifold bolts due to the weight. Amazing design. And you almost never hear about cam phaser issues anymore except for all the cam phaser issues you still hear about. I have mentioned my buddy on here who had his 2019’s fixed under warranty. They started making the exact same noise a week after repair; now Ford says that noise is normal. Tough luck!

 

2019 was gen 13 I believe.

 

the tundra with avs in comfort mode rides way better than the gmc, it’s not even close. Plus the seats were awful

just my.02

 

gen 13 ecoboost? Lol

 

I was big on the Chebbie 6.2 beast when I was shopping in 2022 feeling like the biggest V8 option with the most grumble was the place to go. My powerboost sounds like a kazoo but will outrun a stuck 6.2 and get over 20 mpg on the highway if I just don't drive it like a maniac. Hell, on paper it's faster than my Challenger RT 6 speed was.

At this point it seems like the main complaint people can still muster about these TT V6s is their mileage while towing is inferior. Other than that they do pretty much everything else so well V8s will probably be 3/4 ton only in about 5 years. Chevy might be the last one in the room to turn the lights out as they don't as I understand it have a strong performing v6 option yet, just a fleet truck/loss leader motor. The 5.3 is the main V8 that probably survives one more redesign.