UAW workers launch unprecedented strike against all Big Three automakers

I'm just not seeing a scenario where the Auto makers get another bailout. It doesn't make sense.

 

I could not agree more. I have and always will live by the thought that you put in a hard days work. Have pride in what you do, get up strap on your boots and hit it. Be honest, be reliable and good things will happen for you.

 

The idea that that many people will be out of work would completely send the economy into the tank. The government will intervene if it "needs to" to prevent a further collapse of an already unstable situation.

referencing T. Rex's comments above it's not all surprising that ceos haven't joined the talks. Taking less pay to help the whole isn't part of their philosophy. They only want for themselves. F the underlings.

 

Glad to see ethics involved in your business model. Not many owners feel or act this way. Good on you for acting with integrity in regard to how you view the people who help make your business successful.

 

Something that is important to understand about these $$$ that you are referring to is how they were funneled down the chain and what that chain actually looked like.

Nearly all of those funds were routed to the Governors of each state who in turn funneled them down the pipe for distribution w/stipulations attached. Abiding or honoring those stipulations gave entities that were lower on the food chain necessary funds to remain operational while providing those on the food chain above them with more 'authority' and 'power' than they would normally have to leverage against those entities way down the food chain.

The other funnel of funds/reimbursements was routed through FEMA. All reimbursements through FEMA require adherence to stipulations or the following of 'recommendations/guidelines' during the navigation of 'disasters or emergencies' to receive funds/reimbursements. I can tell you from first hand experience, this system is inherently flawed by the amount of 'waste' and unnecessary spending that it causes at the expense of the taxpayer.

Bottom line is that we need to look further up the food chain when talking about the inefficient use of funds in these kind of scenarios. Sure, there will always be business owners who navigate roller coaster only worried about themselves, but the opportunities for them to do so comes from above....

 

I have no doubt.

 

Ruminating on if these 5 "commandments" are the polar opposite of the UAW?

 

There's a guy at work that used to service laminating machines. He got a call to go to a local GM plant and when he got there, the first thing he did was unplug the machine.
He said they all freaked out on him because he was supposed to wait for the resident union electrician to unplug it. He said fine, I'll plug it back in and he can unplug it. How long till he gets here? Oh, he's on the other side of the plant, sooooo, 45 min to an hour.
To unplug a fucking laminator from a wall outlet in an office!
The rest of the world has shit to do. No one has time to wait an hour for some asshole who likely hasn't done a full day's worth of actual work in the last 6 months, to unplug an appliance from a wall. Sure, the unions protect the employees from being taken advantage of, but they've also created and allowed shit like this to exist.
I hunted with a group of guys a while back and we hung out with an old friend of theirs one weekend. He was a retired GM worker. He laughed about how they would go to the local bar for lunch,.....for 3 hrs, eat, get drunk,....then go back to the plant just in time to punch out for the day.
Maybe they've cracked down on this shit a little in very recent history, but I'm willing to bet that unionized auto workers still have a pretty decent gig.

 

First off, whatever. This is the problem. A guy like you hears some story, probably with a lot of bullshit built in and then runs around typing on the internet about how unions harbor worthless workers.
But, I’m sure you have plenty more “stories” to confirm your stance.
Does this happen and is it a possibility? Sure. Depends on a lot of things. I can tell you, I’ve run across some pretty lazy ass people that won’t do a damn thing if it’s not their job that aren’t union.
Pilots union. Why? To make sure there are contractual rules that protect you, the public.
Many police forces, unionized. Same reasons. Utilities. Same reason. I could go on and on.
Generalizing unions and what they do is an ignorant statement. But, you’re free to make it.
From my experience , it’s called leveling the field from greedy corporations that generally don’t give two shits about their employees and their safety.

How many non union employees steal, slack on the job, smoke a little chronic on their lunch break and generally not give a shit? Perhaps in your world, their training for their future union gig.

 

unions.

In college, I worked for my friends company. Electrical troubleshooting on tug & barge units out of Texas City.

well, we had a tug rewire (due to fire) in Tampa...30 day job. 7/12's.

here's the story:

we had to re-locate the wiring runs from DIRECTLY over the engines, to around the engines.

we needed brackets welded to hang the wiring cages.

the welder on scene (union) was a cutter. we asked him to weld the brackets for us.

he said he can't...he's a cutter, not a welder. he had welding equip.

so we had to stop for 4 hours to wait for a union welder.


You will never convince me unions are not hired to make things worse.

 

And you will never convince me that without them companies and corporations will by in large take good care of their employees.

 

most companies are non-union.

 

Well, before we continue with this conversation, please enlighten me on a few things, so I'm better informed on where you're coming from and how to move forward.
Are you, yourself a member of the UAW? More specifically, did you work in a GM plant in Buffalo, NY 20 yrs ago and prior?
If not, do you personally know anyone who did? If so, did they tell you any stories about working at a GM plant in Buffalo, NY?

 

That was a union's initial purpose, and they were successful at it. Plenty of non-union companies take care of their employees (that's how you find & retain good ones, increase productivity due to employee satisfaction). You'll never convince me that forcing someone to do something makes them more eager to do that thing. Human nature, etc. Incentivizing, however, is a pretty remarkable tool.
Also, it's catastrophically naive to think that unions' current purpose is anything beyond maintaining the union and lining the pockets of its leadership. Look no further than the G-word. Absolute masters at the craft.

 

In my world, the non union companies definitely take advantage of their employees. They hire unqualified and untrained employees.
I’ve spoken to many. In many, and I’ll say most cases the employees would love to move over to the union utility. But, they say they can’t pass the test required (I see this all the time), they have a criminal background, drivers license problems etc. They make less, don’t get paid for taking vacation, they can take it, they just don’t get paid.
They lack adequate safety rules and are encouraged to break them to get shit done by the deadlines. I see it every single day.

 

Yes, my name is Billy and I hail from Queens.

 

The difference is that those slacker employees who are not protected by a union get fired, as they should. I have seen this first hand - not stories from someone else - in multiple union situations.

 

Ah another misinformed voter. Yes property taxes went up because of the increase in value, but that increase should have been marginal (as it has been since the green rush started)

The taxes skyrocketed in CO because uniformed voters, voted it on themselves by repealing the Gallagher act. Now when people got their tax bills they acted shocked. Welp, you voted for it.

 

this is banging up against my free market mindset, so pardon my ignorant sounding questions.

How would these non-union companies stay in business if they had a faulty product/service?
especially, if they don't get Gov bailouts.

does Tesla or Toyota run subpar/unsafe companies?

 

TX has VERY similar issue with Prop Tax.

 

Not a bad offer actually. Maybe.

 

How do you lather that increase onto auto makers during these economic times?

seems self destructive.

We better see some magic in the markets soon.

8% mortgages & 10% car notes are tough walls to hurdle.

 

No, I am sure they run fine companies that take great care of their people. Kudos to them.
I don’t like your absolute mindset and I say, with all due respect it’s from ignorance.
You and another guy on here keeping telling anecdotal stories about Hank and his unwillingness to do tasks outside of his scope.
But, you won’t dive in and explain why there are so many professional unions. Utility, police force, pilots, sports, doctors, lawyers, engineers etc.
Why not?
I know many non union companies treat their employees great. That is wonderful. I wish it was like that everywhere. It is not.

As to your question, how do those companies stay in business? Simple. There is a massive need for the work. Supply and demand. In these situations, companies seem to look the other way and the employees are happy they have work. In the end, it’s both for the same reason. Money.

 

And you know that they don’t get fired from union jobs? Please share.

 

That's a failure on the person in charge of the project, not the union.

Blame the supervisors for not documenting disciplinary actions. It's possible to get fired as long as the supervisors follow the rules, in my experience most of them don't want to do the paperwork and just blame it on 'those lazy Union guys'.

 

Starting your responses like this damages your credibility. It comes off as extremely rude and dismissive, which is how a blind follower would behave. That is not an accusation, either. It's just pointing out that if your intent is to provide information or turn others to your point of view, it'll never happen if you come off as a self proclaimed expert who can dismiss any counter arguments because your experience is deemed as the only credible experience.

To answer some of your questions, people suck. It's a fact that just being people, you will have good and bad ones regardless of union status. That doesn't invalidate negative union experiences.

 

If the govt intentionally inflated the currency, does your house really go up in value? Or did they just find a loophole to jack up your property taxes