Crazy Prices

Yep it's true. Money isn't real.

 

The class envy is pretty thick here.

If it wasn't for "some rich person" most people wouldn't have a job. That's the beauty of capitalism, anyone can become a "rich person" if they have the brains, desire, and motivation. Quite whining about wages, and create whatever income you want for yourself.

Sorry to be brash, but I have no tolerance for the entitlement mentality. If you don't make as much money as you'd like, find a way to make it happen. The opportunities are out there.

Matt

 

Can we ban this guy plz?

 

LOL!! Typical cancel culture BS. If someone posts hard truths, cancel them, because the truth hurts. I couldn't care less about being banned from this forum. It would only reinforce my opinions.

Matt

 

I hope not. I just get tired of whiners who complain about our country. I welcome them to move elsewhere.

 

C'mon gang, keep your hair on.I was just teasing

 

LOL LOL LOL. I make a 6 figure salary. In life there has to be and probably will always be all sorts of classes of people. With that said the ultra rich that keep ruining this country are the ones I have a problem with. The ones that want more and more and dont want to help the rest, not even a little. The down fall to capitalism is this, that there is no end to how much wealth you can make and hoard. But according to you, you would be fine if the top 1% of the rich folks controlled everything in America, including yourself. Because capitalism is good, right? Just like we fought The American Revolution that was started with The Boston Tea Party to put a stop to taxation. Yet here we are full circle being taxed on everything because of capitalism. There is no perfect system so dont go around beating your chest and screaming at the top of your lungs like there is.

 

I could go on for hours in response to this. But I won't.

IMO, you get what you earn.

Matt

 

No class envy at all. Just observing reality in relation to wages given from said rich person who owns the company that is reaping profits from workers backs these days. Which confuses me as to how that makes me or anyone else here discussing this, entitled for also speaking truth? Side note; I do appreciate all the rich people I get to take my money from though. Because that affords me my own life to live freely. Truths aren't offensive to me. Others, I can't speak for.

 

You won't because you can't, period. You can tell me how capitalism is so great and I can tell you how it's not. Plenty of people have come from poverty to ultra rich and now shit on the little people. The system that Americans put in place, now taxes the shit out of us. How is that a great system? I know what it's like to work hours on end every week. Time away from family and friends. Missed events and gatherings. All for what? That's not a life. But you know what, at least I now make a good wage where I dont have to do that shit anymore. But dont tell me that capitalism is the best because not everyone is as lucky. If it was the best then everyone would be happy if they worked hard. Millions of people will never know what its like to really have a life. Like I said, you won't because you can't. Once again, no system is perfect. I can deal with that reality. Can you?

 

Fair enough. sounds like you'll likely succeed from taking money from "rich people", most do.

 

I have no class envy at all. There will always be someone richer and someone poor than me, that's life. I am perfectly fine with the life I have built for myself but it wasn't easy and not everyone is afforded the same chances. No matter how hard you work or try, sometimes it just wasn't meant to be. I saw the part of the interview of the GM CEO with makes $30 million a year, great for her. But she talked down about the employees. Like they are beneath her. That I can't stand. I have also seen an interview of 2 Italian company owners. They were asked, why dont you pay your employees less so that you can make more? Their response, Why, we are happy with what we have, the employees are happy, the company is doing great. That's a real person. Not some heartless CEO that all they see in an employee is $$$ signs.

 

Gang, I think someone went off the track here...



The problem and really the whole thread here is about something that isn't supposed to be worth how much it's worth today. --CRAZY PRICES--, not poor peasants, okay?

A pickup truck for example, is not supposed to cost 80,000 dollars no matter if you're rich or poor.

 

I second the motion.

 

I don’t want that junk for free lol

 

I'm in on this.
Apologize for my contributions to the derail.

What I really want to know is who is paying 95k for the souped up TRD rav 4? that is crazy!

 

Question is ....would you pay it again? I for one dont give a rats Azz if thats what I want and can get it now at a premium. My big brother on the other hand brings crap home from the dump.

 

Toyota didn’t do anything. Every dollar you have is worth less than it was before 2020 because there are billions more dollars now in circulation. So now it takes more dollars to buy the same products. Proceed accordingly.

 

In fairness to the older Tundra crumple zones, and airbags have been a thing since long before the Tundra was even a model.

A lot of the new driver “assistance” stuff is a set of features I would personally be happy to avoid. Personally I find them to be driver annoyance equipment, but more and more of these systems will be mandated as time goes on. So Toyota is future proofing their vehicles as much as possible so they can do their normal 37 year lifecycle before a refresh.

All of this extra stuff drives costs up regardless of inflation while providing what I consider questionable function or value for the cost.

 

Sounds like I am keeping my '20 double cab SX package that was bought brand new in Fall 2021 for $38k lol. I'll take 2 of my trucks for that sticker price instead.

 

Man, as much as I’d like to agree with you on this I have to take some exception to your attitude towards people who are less fortunate, less capable, or less lucky. While it’s true that hard work, and perseverance often result in individual success and wealth building; there are still lots of people who work hard and don’t give up who still never achieve the economic results they strive for.

I’m not going to piss all over those people for being “poors” or having class envy or some other bullshit. I know plenty of people who work harder than I do who have a lot less to show for their efforts. Are there differences in skills, education, intelligence, decision making, and habits? Yep, we’re all humans doing human stuff and results will vary, but I try not to act like I’m better than they are (aside from poking fun at their vehicle choices).

Maybe you don’t mean to come off that way, but it kind of sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder. As if you truly believe it’s completely just that poor people deserve to be poor and should be treated as such and mocked for it. Hopefully that’s not the case, because that is the mark of a remarkably shitty human being.

I just want poor people to make better decisions and escape poverty. Many of them probably need some guidance to pull it off.

 

I want Toyota to sell a US sized Land Cruiser 79 Series truck with a big inline 6 turbodiesel that doesn’t need DEF or a DPF. With full time 4X4, locking diffs (all of them), cloth seats, real bumpers, crank windows, and a tray back for a bed. Give me a decent head unit with wireless CarPlay and a good stereo. Ditch all the radar cruise control etc.

This of course will never happen.

 

The TRD Pro 2024 supply is not really the problem. I am in the Silicon valley and there are 57 vehicles currently available for sale which are TRD Pro max, and zero without markups. (This is not including sale pending)

This is more supply than TRD Off road Limited which I may not go for since I don't want to reward dealers charging markups.

The lowest markup which has been offered to me is 2000$ which has been offered by dealers in Southern California (Near San Diego) or dealers from Vegas.
Bakersfield Toyota asked whether I would buy their 75000$ PRO if they offered same 2000$ markup and I let them know that I am looking for zero markup or dealer installed paint protection film and the likes.

Then Carson city toyota said zero markup but would have to get in line and waiting could be more than a year.

Toyota could kill this markup business easily. Right now bay area dealers are sitting on even 2023s with insane markups, effectively hoarding supply. Toyota could allocate "1" TRD Pro per dealer on their lot, and not send any TRD pro to a dealer till they sell it. I see some dealers with 2-3 TRD Pros with 1 on the lot and one incoming.

Last but not the least a couple of Oregon dealers have said if I am buying for a local zip code address they will do zero markup, otherwise 5000$ markup. I can respect that. They don't want the locals being priced out by far away buyers.

That said my conclusion is that west cast pricing is truly insane, but with the sheer amount of supply coming in, maybe early 2024 may have markups easing. But then I could be wrong. There were ford dealers hoarding over 50+ vehicles in their lots before the prices came back to MSRP.

Did any of you get a TRD Pro without markups. How long did you have to wait?

 

Ammo prices have come down and it’s more available then 6 mo ago

 

So build one.

I'm not being a smug douche about it. What are you willing or not willing to sacrifice in order to acquire the capital "trinity" of time, knowledge, and resources in order to meet your goal?
Not to speak for another member, but I think that is the basis of where @Matt2015Tundra is coming from with his statements - not simply just "shitting on the poors" or whatever he's being accused of.

Compensation is a reimbursement of sacrifice in its purest sense. In your case, it would be your new truck. For many company leaders, it is their paycheck/benefits/etc. Often it's warranted. When it isn't, I would argue that there is a regulatory obstacle in place that creates vast wealth that finds its way to the regulatory body keeping them in power, or finding a place for the regulator in that company once the regulatory obstacle is firmly entrenched. One needs to look no further than the pharmaceutical fiasco of the last 3 years (very easy, very obvious) going back another 25-30 years (less easy, less obvious) as an example. I'll limit myself here before things drift into the p-word territory.

 

Someone is. Just like there are people paying close to if not over 100k for a truck. Let that sink in.

 

I google a lot. So I googled statics for 2020 vs 2023. According to The Bureau of Labor Statics, it would take $46,400 today to buy my $39,000 2020 tundra. So, once again I will ask you, what did Toyota do to make an SR5 cost $52k? Proceed accordingly.

 

Re-design the truck completely? Implement new machinery, forms, and processes to build entirely new parts to assemble the new design?

A $6k increase in price during a period of unprecedented demand/supply inversion for a completely re-designed vehicle doesn't really seem that over the top.