Are you happy with your Gen 3 Tundra?

The grass is not greener on the other side, its just different.

I would not own the Tundra if I had a job that didn't have me in a 6'5" parking garage. I'd be driving a GMC 2500....and I'd also be driving a vehicle expecting failure to be combined with poor customer service.

I do expect better out of Toyota, if there is a failure.

 

If you keep a reliable vehicle for too long there comes a time when it will not be reliable anymore.
If you keep your reliable vehicle for too long there comes a time that it is not worth much for trade-in value anymore.

At some point you have to upgrade; that's different for everyone, but it doesn't make sense to hold on to a vehicle forever (typically, not including classics, farm trucks etc.)

 

Not to mention all the safety gear you loose with old vehicles. Over weekend my Tundra auto brake a millisecond quicker than I hit the brakes to narrowly avoid collision with an asshole in a Mercedes failing to yield turning out of Costco. In my previous trucks that would have been a direct hit to drivers side. Everybody likes to call them nanny gear but they are a lifesaver.

 

Well, just like everything, things start to wear out. And one could think that advancements would result in better reliability, not less. A new vehicle every eight years is far from excessive, especially since I have means to have a new truck every year if I would like. As much and as hard as I work, I sometimes like to reward myself for all my efforts.

I'm torn now and this thread had made it even more difficult.

 

I know people who literally think, “all vehicles are reliable now. Every manufacturer has figured out how to make a reliable vehicle at this point.”

This couldn’t be further from how things actually work. The majority of companies who manufacture physical products spend vast amounts of resources finding the exact minimum amount of material to use for a particular part that meets its target spec and service life. This increases profits. If failures occur outside of warranty, this is considered a success. It is in their best interest to get you to buy a new vehicle as regularly as reasonably possible. Part of how they do this is enticing you with new features and tech, but part of it is also building products with a specified service life.

Even Toyota had an actual design flaw in the radiator that went into their top-of-the-line 200 series Land Cruisers and LX 570s: the radiator. Where the badge meets the main body of the top of the radiator creates an 90-degree edge about 2 inches wide. The material is a few millimeters thick at best. This is a very common failure point. It could fail at 80k miles; it could fail at 200k miles. But they all develop a stress crack and fail at that exact spot. Toyota let it run from 2008 to late 2018 before they changed the design. Failing outside of warranty? Not exactly a high priority problem to fix. Here’s a pic of my 2009 LX radiator at 149k miles with the beginnings of a stress crack:

 

eh, take off hoser

 

X2 . Definitely.

 

Agreed 100% this was the same for my Chevy the was a notorious weld flaw on the condenser coil top right driver's side and not to mention with the DOD displacement on demand where the hydrolic lifters would conflict with the cylinders.and the Crack shaft will breach the block.

 

UPDATE: Just got home about 50 minutes ago and managed to get 20.1 MPG (11.7 L/100 km) on the 185 miles (297.8 km) trip. I am pretty happy about that.

 

1000 mi/1 month and we love it. Nicest vehicle I/we have ever owned. Love the fact there was nothing to go back to the dealer with. (‘16 Tacoma was a first model year nightmare) Its So comfortable, smooth and quiet. Getting 18 around town. Haven’t done a long Hwy trip yet but small Combo trips were over 19. (improves greatly over 5000mi) Don’t sweat the engine failures. So sorry for those that had it happen. Totally sucks!! But even if it was 100 motors, and it’s not, that would be a 5/100ths of 1% failure rate (.0005 ) I’ll take those odds. Every brand is having at least those failure rates between engines and transmissions. I couldn’t find another brand that came even close to all these features for the money - and without ridiculous dealer markups.

 

A week ago, I would have said mostly. But after this last recall for the fuel line issue, I have to change my vote to NO. I have owned this thing for 6 months and the recalls have inconvenienced me more in those 6 months than I have been by recalls in my life. I should have kept my 15 year old Tacoma which was getting on in age but bulletproof.

 

Have owned my 2023 for 4 months now. Just what exactly were all of these recalls that I missed out on??

 

I have a 2011, a 2017, and a 2023 Tundra. I like them all, and so far haven’t had any issues with any of them. They each have their pros and cons. I only have 15k on the 23 so far, but the only complaint I have is the cabin noise. The window seals aren’t right, but that’s an easy fix I’ll get to eventually.

I’ve been perfectly happy with all three of them as my daily driver. Time will tell if the 23 is as durable as the others, but if it’s even close I’ll have no regrets.

 

It is better to recall and fix than ignore. I have owned just about all the Detroit, Japanese and Korean brands except Subura and Hyundai. GM and Ford will rarely recall or fix anything. Honda will recall you to death to include who cares stuff. Ram has a lot of recalls but if something is hard or expensive they extend your warranty and tell you to cross your fingers. Three Toyos I have had are in the middle. But recalling a vehicle is not the worst result. Having an issue and dodging the fix is 100x worse. Ask any GM owner bronco riding their 8 speed tranny all over town with GM dodging law suites saying warranty does not cover design flaws

 

Check them out here
https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls

 

That is a really bad characteristic to have in an aircraft! Looking for a good cornfield to land in an emergency = not fun.

 

My personal record is 18 recalls fixed with my previous 2015 Ram EcoD in one routine maintenance appointment. A lot were fixed by a software blow. Another was a sticker added to the door frame. Another one was a total replacement of EGR cooler. Not all recalls are equal in severity or concern.

 

Currently mine shows


TOYOTA Tundra
Recall data refreshed on Aug 15,2023
0 Unrepaired Recalls associated with this VIN


What if my car isn't recalled now? Could it be recalled later?

Yes. Whether a manufacturer independently conducts a safety recall or NHTSA orders one, the manufacturer must file a public report describing the safety-related defect or noncompliance. Manufacturers are also required to notify owners by mail within 60 days of notifying NHTSA of a recall decision.

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Look for this distinct label to distinguish critical safety recall information from other marketing material.

 

Regardless, they’re an inconvenience at best to the vehicle owner. They come at a large cost to the owner, both in time and money.

For me, it means taking time off from work. It means being without the truck that I bought to serve as dependable transportation.

 

We love ours. Things we would change? Of course. Flat rear seat floor would be nice. Integrated step in tailgate would help.
Used to own a 2013 F150 Ecoboost. For the most part loved the truck and the ecoboost engine. However, the truck had electrical gremlins. Would strand me at random times and places. I hated the truck for that reason.
For the most part I know that my Tundra will never leave me stranded. Being a newer version I opted for the 10 year 125,000 mile warranty for $2,050. So I'll drive it for 10 years and if I'm sick of it then I'll sell it.

 

I wouldn't say I'm "unhappy" but am I happy? No. If I had to do it over again, I'm not sure if I would do another Tundra or even another truck.

 

2 months in I'm happy with mine.
It's quiet.
The engine/trans combo is smooth.

I have not experienced any of the reported issues such as the black screen of death, wind noise, cracked set trim, throttle lag, etc.
It's been pretty flawless.

I am NOT happy with regards to the fuel leak issue.
This is the first Toyota I've ever owned and a big part of the decision to go with Toyota was to avoid issues like this one.

I'm not sure if we'll return to pre-pandemic levels of quality from any manufacturer any time soon.

 

This is the part that I'm struggling with as we continue to gather information and decide between a 2024 F150 Platinum Super Crew 6.5 ft bed 3.5EB and 2024 Tundra 1794 CrewMax with a 6.5 ft. bed.

GM is out of question because of the tiny 24 gallon fuel tank.

 

Yeah, its pretty much buy the truck you like the best and the longest warranty on both of them, plan to trade prior to warranty expiration, rinse and repeat. If in a few years the Tundra returns to its legendary reliability and longevity, there will be an opportunity to buy one. Or to avoid the trade a thon and have a good chance of being right....buy the lowest mileage 2.5 gen and enjoy. Thats my view of the 1/2 ton market at the moment.

There is a slight argument for resale, but the tell of the tape on that one is not out just yet on the 22/23.. It will be 5 years or so before we can see a difference there.

There currently is about a 10% difference in 5 year resale for the Tundra and the rest of the field (the rest are all pretty similar) but that is a total different Tundra with a long reputation to earn that spot. The current build has not built that reputation just yet, and I would say is not off to the best start, time will tell of course.

 

well the 2nd gen wasnt that great when it first came out either. took years to refine it to the point of where the 2/2.5 gen is now at.

 

My perception of Toyota as a brand is that it'll take 1-2 years for them to work out most of the issues. Other OEMs may take longer - 2-3 years. Some OEMs are so terrible that even 1-2 years after a mid cycle enhancement with no significant powertrain changes they STILL can't get it right.

My expectation is that the 2024 Tundra should have all the major complaints and issues worked out.

 

I covered that....

 

Update. I just returned from a 2300 mile round trip in my June build 1794. It ran like a dream. I averaged 18.5 mpg for the entire trip with it fully loaded, including a few hundred miles of city driving. That's a big improvement over my 2015 Tundra. The 480 mile range meant about a third fewer stops compared to my old one. The TT V6 brought a smile to my face every time I got on it to pass a slower car.

The only glitch I experienced was the annoying "Do you want to adjust your seat" message every time I started the truck. A 30 second search on this forum showed the answer to that problem is to link your FOB in the profile settings. Easy fix.

Overall, I'm still very pleased. I have to admit, however, I held my breath every time a bird flew in front of my truck at highways speeds. I know it's just a matter of time until I hit one and it punches a hole in the flimsy-ass grille.

Matt

 

One to two years from the first 1-2 years or 1-2 years from entry, we are rolling up on year 3 now with the most serious issues beginning to show. I personally think its year 5...unless it is proven tech to begin with or just a solidly engineered vehicle from the start.

 

There were some issues. But I would think by the 23 model most were worked out. They were redesigned for 22, and you have to expect issues with a brand new release. There's even a few issues still. I think the 24's probably have the gas tank sensor in a different spot because its accuracy is lousy at best.