2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

What he said. I also get 17-19 on 35" tires on hwy when I keep it under 70mph(actual speed by gps not speedo). After break in you should see an increase.

 

Note that I do have 3.73 gears which helps with 35s

 

yeah and 2Gen Tundra had 4.30 gears.

 

And a 3.3:1 first gear . . . .

 

I've had both now, a 2022 tundra and a 2022 f150. Got shot $9K off list + 0.9 interest on a holdover a few months ago on an XLT 3.5L with chrome package and 36 gallon tank, couldn't pass up that value.

Here's my observations after 6 months in a 2022 Tundra vs. 3 months with a 2022 F150:

-F150 is WAY quieter, my tundra had wind noise something terrible.
-F150 averaging 21 mpg, never came close to 18 with the Tundra. My thought is that the Tundra is way wider, heavier. More drag + weight.
-Tundra way wider, much more difficult to park than the F150.
-Tundra 10 speed, hands down smoother and better than the 10 speed in the F150. F150 gets clunky sometimes.
-36 gallon tank + 21 mpg gives insane range in F150. I only had 22 gallon in Tundra, it was brutal.
-3.5 Ford vs. 3.4 Toyota, Ecoboost I'd say has far more horsepower, but Tundra almost feels like has more torque. I like the torque feel of the tundra engine better.
- Seats - not best in Ford, but the 2022 Tundra I had they were horrible for me.
- Ford turning radius is ok, tundra was terrible, i almost got stuck in a few parking garages it was so bad
- Stereo is better in F150, surprised me, wasn't terrible in 2022 Tundra like the 2019 Tundra I had that was terrible.
- Windows - the Tundra window got caught/sounded like it was going to break all the time. F150 windows are smooth. Something off with the Toyota design there.
- Overall room: despite Tundra being far wider - it's a huge difference to me, overall room inside seems somewhat close. Tundra crewmax was bigger in back seat. Center console on F150 not near as wide.
- Oil changes in F150 (already 10K miles) - much cheaper, Ford dealers don't question, you get X amount of points buying new. Toyota on the other hand, 7.7 quarts vs. 6 quarts, so expensive for 1, Toyota dealers refuse to change when you want, just overall pain. The Ford dealer I go to already changed twice for me and I have at least 2-3 more free ones in points from buying. WAY better deal here with the Ford, they actually promote 5K oil changes. Toyota needs to change this, my oil was so dirty and gross in Tundra after only 5K I did 1 change myself, the oil smelled like fuel and was super black after just 5K. The ford my oil still looked great actually after only 5K miles.
- Gauges in F150 are much better - but I do have up level XLT with big screen. Infotainment also way easier to use and actually get an hour meter and Trans temp gauge in F150!! Wish I had oil temp like RAM. I think engine oil temp important, RAM has something right here...
-40K spark plug changes in Tundra is concerning, Ford says 80K for 3.5 Ecoboost..why the difference??
- F150 rides way smoother than Tundra. At least my Tundra the rear was so stiff and bouncy/made loud bangs over bumps, it was absolutely terrible. F150 is smooth as silk and doesn't make a single noise.

Overall - like the F150, will probably drive a long time, hope I don't have issues. I was very disappointed in 2022 Tundra, maybe in a few years they will fix some issues but some seem to be design related to me, like the rear end ride and for whatever reason the new 3.4 seems to be hard on oil and smell like fuel in no time. Window switches/etc something just doesn't seem right there either. The Tundra does have a good 10 speed trans though, but has too many annoyances for me to think about this gen until those issues are redesigned altogether.

 

Ugh what whose getting butthurt, the post was in clarification for the other 2 who kept spewing out incorrect nonsense, dunno what skin you have in this game lol

 

Oh boy , here we go

 

The ecoboosts are hard on oil and smell like fuel too. Mine has always smelled.

I would be surprised if the plugs in the EB made it 80k. The compression ratios are the same between the two motors

 

Mine doesn’t smel. I do change oil every 5k, but I tow. Speaking of which, today was new boat day!

 

congrats man, good stuff!!!

Now, go back in your f-150 hole, ha!

 

Same and same. 30% of my trucks miles are towing a travel trailer in the Rockies

 

Good review thanks.
Couple points.

Ford turning radius is ok, tundra was terrible, i almost got stuck in a few parking garages it was so bad
Its surprising to me that more people don't comment on turning radius. Its a big deal for me with the smaller tighter roads and trails I run on. I guess a lot of people just go in a straight line, highway driving - 8^0

Overall room: despite Tundra being far wider - it's a huge difference to me, overall room inside seems somewhat close. Tundra crewmax was bigger in back seat. Center console on F150 not near as wide.
So you are saying the Tundra is alot wider - outside dimension wise - but on the inside its close with the Crewmax Tundra having more room in the back ? or just the backseats themselves. Ford has to be alot more cubic space with the seats up?

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nice boat ! one of my boats is a Seafox. Not a lot of CC's this way. Its more bowriders, deck boats and old people with pontoons -hah hah
Lately when its raining here I seem addicted to the haulover inlet videos - lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6u9_PJ8rC4


so signs are showing up on major roadways here now, Frustrations are building.
I have never been political and have chosen to just deal with the results of who is in power.
But things are really getting ridiculous. Something is going to break. just when.

 

Beautiful machine! Congrats!!!

 

Interesting about the width of the Tundra versus F150, especially front passenger to driver.

re; engine and the Toyota v6.
I am very much an engine type guy, and I am finally (after 2 years) actually starting to come around to Toyota’s view of why they did this Hybrid design with a heavy pickup truck. And the Tundra is much heavier than the F150.
The most engine wear is at takeoff. I have driven the new Tundra two times now, both non-hybrids, and both times testing (take off) during a period without the turbos engaged. It is too heavy a vehicle IMO, for that motor without the turbos. I don't think anyone disagrees with this.
I think if I had the new Tundra the turbos would be engaged all the time with the way I use my truck. So the Electric motor Hybrid really seems (from video reviews) to help out in taking off and if you are someone that cares about longevity and you are not trading your vehicle in every 2-3 years – I think this is important. So I am watching this - how reliable the Hybrid is and how long they continue to make this version. If I ever consider a new Tundra it will now definitely be a hybrid model.

 

My wife comments that my Supercrew is not quite as cavernous as my Crewmax was. That truck really spoiled us just in that category. People think it's no big deal that it shrank for the redesign. But in my 09 rear passengers could stretch their legs behind her and recline on road trips and then she could cross her legs and recline slightly in the front passenger seat. I'd probably need a Ram megacab to top it. It's hard stepping back once you've had that level of cab space and rear seat versatility in a truck. I was shocked Toyota reduced the adjustability in 2016. Everybody seems to have reached a consensus that at least for now it's not even worth trying to compete with Ram on the interior.

 

I dont know if thats true about ram. I think since the 2021 F150 and 2023 GM’s came out, they are all pretty close. Ram certainly got out ahead in 2019.

 

I run 80 average on my road trips and get 17-18 mpg with 35”s. Not that that is phenomenal but very acceptable. Now I did get 10 mpg towing the boat 80 miles on Friday, turbos spooling up a lot more. Having that kind of power on tap is worth the gas penalty. It accelerates better from 70 to 85 mph towing 5500# than my Tacoma did unloaded.

Tundra, like anything with turbos, has to be similar right? Keep the turbos quiet to get good efficiency.


I’ll use the discussion on oil to plug Blackstone Labs, I love sending in samples for analysis.

 

The 2022 Tundra I had was built early 2022, I think 02/2022. Put 22K miles on it before I got rid of it and got the Ford. The 2022 Ford I have was built 08/2022, so was a late build 2022. I drive a ton of interstate for my work, so 75 mph is what I drive at almost all the time. Best I could get was 17-18, it was typically around 16.5 or so. The F150 consistently hits 21-22 on same stretches of interstate, even in strong headwinds it still gets 20. Never saw that in the Tundra. I can attest it gets easily 25% better fuel economy on identical stretches of road, which is substantial.

I had the stock tires on the Tundra. It was an SR, so the detuned version. Despite that, it still felt like it had more grunt down low. It towed my 3500 lb boat better than the F150, you need to tow the F150 in 7th gear to prevent downshifting, Tundra could manage it in 8 or 9 even on highway.

I've seen other people have issues with wanting to change oil early (especially for the Free changes). No dealers where I live will do it early for a free one, they won't even give you the option to pay, which is why I did 1 myself and was amazed at how bad the fuel smell was.

So far so good on quality of F150, personal experience it's been better so far. Who knows how that will turn out though...that is a concern for me but we will see!

 

Good point. My research showed that the F150 MSRP price is about $2-3K more than a comparable tundra. What really got me was that Ford raised 2023 MSRP prices, so when compared to an identical 2022, I actually got more like $10-11K off if I was to buy a 2023 optioned the same. MSRP was $62K, got for $53K. It has a lot of options, the big tank, 3.5EB, surround cameras, big screen, 20" wheels, off road package, etc. I feel like I got a lot for the money - even looking at used ones now I'm still not upside in it, however, I do notice a huge difference in resale. Tundra no doubt better, but if I keep for a couple years and with the miles I put on, the trade value is not hugely different. Once the F150's take that initial hit that the Tundra's don't get hit with, they level out around $25-$30K even with 100K plus miles and don't drop much below that... The 3rd gen I don't think will have the resale of the 2nd and 2.5 gen myself....just my opinion right now since the older ones were simple and robust, these new ones seem to be as complex as the competition now.

 

Interesting observation and on the detuned engine. I don't tow a alot. My truck is more of a mule for carrying a full load of stuff, up and down hills of the highlands everytime it seems. Once a boat is moved it never seems to leave the property. 8^0
But if I did tow a lot, over distances, it looks like the Tundra was engineered really well to do this for a 1/2 ton.
As long as it is reliable.

 

Keep in mind that miles per gallon is a poor way to measure efficiency, it’s not linear so you probably are not seeing an actual 25% increase in fuel savings. I’m surprised that you’re foud doesn’t tow that light of a boat better. My boat is 5500 to 6000 pounds depending on how much fuel I have and I run in eighth and ninth gear on the highway

 

A tundra with that build date explains most of it.

 

I thought you have a 23

 

I see, when I test drove an earlier 2022, the build quality or lack there of was apparent. My 2023 is much better , that’s what I was referring to

I’m just curious but how does a 2023 give you 3/4 ton capability when a 2022 didn’t, I don’t understand how that’s possible ?

 

In early 2023 Toyota partnered with ford to design and engineer a special tundra line to offer 17k pound towing capacity.

unfortunately costs were too high and they were only able to produce 1. He’s a lucky sob.

 

Don’t forget it’s a Limited or was that the 22. It’s was limited.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...-tundra-hybrid-trucks-fuel-leak/70568457007/#

Planning how to route things along an undercarriage shouldn't be hard. Just get proper clearance from other stuff and avoid sharp edges or crushing wire between components. But both Ford and Toyota seem to have managed to mess this up.

 

And....there is no more genie in a bottle available as far as gas goes.
We need to really plan out how much gas is left unburned in a big inboard boat tank, if you store your boat over winter.
Attached pic my test from earlier this summer.
Shell V power 93 Octane.
Bought in Jan/23 (0% Ethanol) and Aug 1/23 - (10% Ethanol).

 

Yeah that’s got to be tough. We are running the boats year-round down here, so pretty consistently have fresh fuel.