Gen 3 VS 3/4 Ton for towing TT

Absolutely. Staying in a hotel is just not the same as camping, even camping in a trailer.

 

Agreed on all points. That said, those trucks are also 1200 to 1700 lbs heavier so when you crunch the numbers and compare power to weight ratio of a 6k lb tundra and a 7.5k lb f250 with the 7.3 pulling the same 7,000 lb trailer and the power to weight ratio of the combined weight is pretty much the same with both trucks. Power to weight ratio is what all feeling of brisk acceleration comes down to at the end of the day.

 

Why toyota can’t just build us a hybrid max HD with bigger axles, brakes and beefier suspension + more cooling to get 2,500lbs payload in a loaded trim. They would sell like crazy for an additional $5k- only make it on limited and up.

 

Added bonus, you don't have to use Clorox wipes on all the door handles and faucet handles and a sandwich bag for the TV remote. And the main advantage is the pups can go and not have to stay in a kennel.

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Toyota of all people should be the ones offering an HD half ton. Ford, GM and Ram all have an excuse not to, they sell 3/4 and 1 tons. Even then, Ford still does with the heavy payload package which can be 2400-2500 lbs of payload in high XLT or low Lariat trim.

The problem is, if they get too heavy with the truck like Nissan did with the XD, it gets you just barely over half ton capability with 3/4 ton efficiency and cost. The XD makes my 2014 steel body 157" F150(6200 lbs bone stock) look light and is approaching 3/4ton gas engine weight. The 5.0 diesel only has 330hp and yet offers the same efficiency and cost as a 450 hp powerstroke or duramax.

 

Those Nissans had that bad Cummins in them didn’t they? I do think it would be interesting if GM Duramaxed a 4.8 or 5.0 similar to their 3.0 (which is light years better than either the light duty diesels Ram and Ford tried) and made a 5/8ths type truck………

 

Yes, the Nissan tried but the motor was like 600 lbs dry or something like that alone and it was better just to get a 3/4 ton and get a powerful diesel and better capacity than the heavy half titan xd

 

Agreed on the frame, brakes axles etc. The 6.6 L8T and 7.3 are definitely greatly improved offerings over the past HD gas engines. For their size and being a modern design I would expect more though. Hp and torque per liter are both worse than the 5.7 Toyota engine designed in 2006! 13% worse for the 7.3 and 10% worse for the 6.6. I was expecting the L8T to be a powerhouse with a little boost. I saw dyno results with the new 3.0 gen 5 Whipple at 8psi and the damn thing only made 521hp and 505 tq at the wheels. A 5.7 with a 1.9 liter blower makes that at the wheels on the same boost, not to mention the 2.6 and 2.9 liter blower offerings. No doubt you could crank the boost and make more reliable power, but I was disappointed as that is what I’d want to go with for the next rig. Power per liter (naturally aspirated) the 5.7 is still a beast after all these years. What it could really use is a 10 speed and to be bored out to a 6.8 like the XAT racing offering and it would be a towing machine in an HD truck if Toyota would actually make one.

 

Agreed and I’d say not, they just won’t. NA these big V8s are making close to that. They’re pretty much making that power with turbo 6s. A 550+hp turbo/SC v8 out of the box is what I’d like to see in an HD, but I think it’s more of a niche market since most people don’t look at things the way a few of us do. It would give diesel towing performance but would require 93 octane and would slug down the gas. That’s totally fine with me of course to pay more for gas for awesome power without being subject to the diesel emissions equipment problems and maintenance, but most people don’t look at it that way. They either want a relatively easy and cheap to operate NA gas V8 making mediocre power, or decide to go all in on the expensive to purchase/operate/maintain turbo diesel.

Maybe they don’t want a high performance gas offering to cut into their diesel sales? It also may be asking too much for them to invest in the design, tooling and production requirements of a 3rd likely less popular engine option. For now, as long as the gas engine options are built to live half decent on boost I would continue to choose that route via aftermarket SC kits and voided warranties (in some not all cases).

 

Dodges new Hurricane I-6 TT is the way. Buttery smooth straight six with gobs of smooooth torque. And lots and lots of main bearings.

 

I’d look at the ford 7.3 gas engine. 450hp//475tq with a ten speed auto. Everything I’ve read says so far it’s a great engine. Otherwise, I’d grab a Cummins ram and never think twice.

 

Agreed. I have nearly convinced myself that I "need" more truck several times. I keep staying put because nothing checks as many boxes for me as my '21.

If I were in Muley's situation, I would probably look into gears. Or do nothing at all. These trucks have tons of life left at 133k miles.

I think I’d do the 7.3L if I went HD. My grandpa would do cartwheels for joy, and it would be half worth it just to see that.

 

Im sure that is because of the camshaft and heads on the L8T. None of the gm motors make a whole lot of power with just a blower installed. Throw a blower cam in it with the correct intake/exhaust timing and I bet it would pick up a lot of power. When I had my LS2 GTO it was pretty popular to install a blower and swap to an LS9 cam from the zr1 vette

The 5.7 is DOHC with variable valve timing so it probably can make some decent gains without any other mods because the valve timing can be adjusted via the pcm

 

My only worry with the hurricane is the specific power output. Its like 420 hp and 470 tq out of a 3.0L in the standard trim and like 500+ hp in the HO. I just dont see it being capable of sustaining those outputs doing truck stuff.

 

And absolutely pointless. . .

 

Not in trucks though.

 

The 5.9 Cummins was an I-6. Just saying

 

Ford 300ci I-6 is another one that was great.

 

Yet GM is equipping lots of trucks with a 4-banger…

 

I guess you seriously missed the point. The quote was high hp. The 5.9 made 325 hp out of a 5.9L. Not 420 hp out of a 3.0. Literally less than half the specific output of a hurricane.

A cummins is also like a $10000 upgrade over the gas engine in a ram.

 

not sure why the output is concerning. No one is concerned with a 380hp V8 in the Tundra. 5.7 V8 engines used to make 200hp. They seem to hold up fine.

 

That’s like saying a turboed 2jz is the same as a turboed ford 300 i6. Not even close to the same league.

 

What’s the mileage like?