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Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Sweet_nasty87, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. Jul 22, 2015 at 10:34 AM
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    wanting to upgrade to better lift but want to keep the hight. What are the options here? I think it currently have 7 in lift and its perfect for me. can anyone point me in the right direction?
     
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    Ditto
     
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    Oh, also. Some aftermarket UCA's would do you some good as well.
     
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    i know that much lol i was thinking more along the lines of what kit brand or links anyone might have to pull this off
    the only coilovers i find max out at 3 in of lift
     
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    Wait for some others to chime in. I forget the brand for the coilovers but people were saying that they called and had them ordered to spec to their lift needs. For the rear leaf springs, look into the brand Atlas.

    But no sense in buying an entirely new lift kit. Just buy the components you need.

    1. UCA's
    http://toyteclifts.3dcartstores.com/Other-Suspension-Parts_c_119.html
    2. Coilovers
    3. Rear lift leaf springs.
    Just call Atlas tell them make, model and amount of lift desired and they can give you pricing.
    4. Rear shocks (don't know what you have currently).
     
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  7. Jul 22, 2015 at 11:17 AM
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    yep^^

    Light Racing, and Total Chaos are some good ones.
     
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    for rear shocks i have a set of procomp. i think the whole kit in the truck is the procomp 7in stage 1
     
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    You could do some King's in the front. They make a set for the 6" lift crew.
    Or you could probably get the actual procomp coilover that they sell on the more expensive kit and upgrade yours. The King's would probably be better though.
     
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    No. Those replace everything (coilover and spacers). The coilovers are specifically built for 6" ProCrap lifts kits.
    And Tundras don't have struts, they have double a arm suspension with coilovers.
     
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    lol sorry, just meant to put spacer but was reading while typing

    and why bash ProComp, some of us cant afford the other systems out there and serves our purpose well. I dont know why people always say they ride rough, my buddy has stock trundra and they ride the same
     
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    I wouldn't call it bashing. It's the nickname they get for the products they make. It's that simple. Same way AllPro is referred to as AllPoo in the community.
    I have first hand experience with the PC DB lift, not just talking for the sake of shit talking. Installed it on my brother in law's second gen. And it's a far cry from a stock ride. I hated that lift.
     
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    I wouldn't worry too much about procomp being the greatest or not. Anything would be better than all those spacers. Kings are so nice, but man they are high priced. You could get icons for half the price. And still have a great ride. Not sure about a dealer, but here is an example.
    http://www.offroadpowerproducts.com...-tundra.aspx?gclid=CLLBwemr8MYCFY-HaQod8SIEwQ
    It doesn't have to be icons either, just depends on how much you are willing to pay. Eventually I'd like kings or icons with reservoirs, but I bought some fat bobs adjustable coilovers for the mean time. They cost less than 500 dollars, gave me the lift I wanted, the spring rate I wanted and guess what... They ride great. So just decide on what you are willing to cough up and go from there. If procomp has coilovers for less than the rest, get some. Maybe not the Cadillac of coilovers, but definitely better than spacers.
     
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    3-1 level kit, imige dynamic speakers, taco tunes recurve EZQ, trd exaust
    BDS 7" with fox coilovers would be a nice set up.
     
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    When i was looking at potentially buying a 6" lifted truck i called Toytec and they had a set of 6" extended coil overs for around $1,200 if i remember right. I think they were Icons.
     
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    I would definitely give ToyTec a call. Ask them what your options are. They specialize in Toyota lifts. Certainly would steer you in the right direction.
     
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    im thinking about doing the same. i called for some prices cheapest is around 2500 to 6k installed....from pro comp to bds/fab tech at top....i would like to just get a crossmember and i think my issues will go away or change uca's....but not sure what im going to do yet
     
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    Of course the icons are half the price. It's half the shocks. The King's Eric posted were for all 4 corners, not just the coilovers, all with remote resi's. Regardless, I'd never buy shocks from 4WP. DSM will beat their price significantly 8 days a week.
    And ICON has the WORST street ride out of all the shock vendors on the market. You can thank their digressive valving for that.
     
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    Your opinion of course.
     
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    Icon makes a great coilover. You can get them with a 700 pound spring too. Which is perfect for the Tundra.
     
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    Presumably your comment is about the street ride...and not that the shocks being sold in 4's rather than 2's is an opinion.
    With that, yes, ride quality is subjective. But I ask you...why would you want a rough/stiff ride around town? I prefer not to feel every speed bump and cigarette butt I run over.
    While ride quality is subjective, a shock dyno is not. Low speed shaft movement is the predominant movement for in town driving. A digressive piston and digressive valving characteristics do not lend themselves to being anything but blunt with low shaft speed movements.
     
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    Yes, that's what I was referring to.

    To answer your question, I like the ride firm. I don't want my lifted truck swaying around like a boat. Even with the inexpensive 700 pound coilovers and shackles I have now, my truck feels planted and is night and day from the stock soft ride. If I could get kings with a 700 pound spring rate, I may go that route. DSM told me they wouldn't do that for me, so they lost my business. You can get that poundage with icons and since I like the firm ride, I will probably go that route. I've read just like you, a lot of guys like the valving with kings, but I'm not overly concerned with it. I don't mind the bump a cigarette butt causes.

    Also, I don't know anything about 4 wheel parts other than there are several in my area. But if they were the lowest price on what o wanted I would buy from them since they are local if I had a problem and I try and do everything myself. I don't really know anything about thier install shop.
     
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    Sway and shock valving are two very different things. But whatever, I can tell you're set in your ways and mindset so I'll leave it at that.

    Kings OE replacement for our trucks use a standard 16" long 3" ID coil. King part # is SPR3-16-700 and can be used as a substitute for the standard 600# spring rate. That said...I wouldn't recommend it unless you're going with a plate bumper and a winch. Too many people come from TacomaWorld and think the taco knowledge is 100% transferable. The shock ratio on a new Tundra is nothing like it is on a Tacoma. It's the same reason you can't compare spring rates on an MT truck and an LT truck. There's a reason you don't see most LT trucks with a 700+ spring rate vs. tons of people with MT setups. With the second-third gen Tundra, you've got almost 7" shaft vs not even 5" with a Taco and a 16" coil instead of a 13-14". You can get away with a lighter spring rate because of the shock ratio (angle of dangle). I can't speak to what DSM did or didn't tell you, but I got my shocks the way I wanted 3 days after I called and beat 4wp's price without even asking. I had my choice of 600 or 700 # spring rates. King however does not do a 650# spring rate in a 16" coil.

    And I do my own valving. My discussion was on digressive vs progressive. Icon uses a dished piston which preloads the valve stack making it very difficult to valve it anything other than digressive. If you buy Icon, you are basically stuck with digressive valving characteristics unless you replace the piston with a new one. With any other vendor, you can change the valving either direction and tune the shock to fit the truck and the owner preferences.
     
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    pshh well now im more confused than i was before asking...this is rather complicated, the reason i just purchased the truck already lifted from dealer. i dont have the knowledge to do this myself. That and the fact that i dont want to funk with the warranty on a new truck. i know anything you do to your truck ends up being an issue with the dealer and they wont service.
     
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    Yeah sorry about that. I'd doesn't have to be complicated unless you want to dive into what's best and opinions of what's best. If you already have a warranty like it is I would doubt changing the spacers to coilovers would make any difference with the trucks warranty. They just wouldn't warranty the coilovers. Like I said before, figure out how much you want to spend and don't worry about all this mess above. You don't have to run King's or anything expensive to have a great ride on your truck. You could nitpick it to death and then it's no fun.
     
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    According to SDHQ, they don't offer the coating anymore. If you need it, I can dig up the post on TW.
    If your main concern is coating...my personal opinion is you should be looking at ADS. They cadmium plate the shock bodies and shoot it with ceramic clear coat. They also offer both hard chromed or nitrosteel shafts.

    You're the only one who can decide how much you want to spend and what work you're willing to do with potential for warranty voiding.
    Everyone mutually agreed to get some quality coilovers in there and a real leaf pack instead of blocks.

    So...with that
    1) How much do you want to spend?
    2) Are you ok with replacing the coilovers and leaf pack to aftermarket?
     
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    Bottom line............... Been four wheeling now for 45 years. Longer than most here on this forum have been alive. Long before there was much out there as far as suspension upgrades, off road tires, etc. I've got news................. We old farts have been there already. Same trails, same hill climbs, same sand drags, same mud bogs. You name it. Been there and done that. Before some of you were born and without all the cool things that are available to all of us now. One thing in common that we all have on this site is a Tundra. This is the best Tundra site period! Keep in mind that everyone here has a budget or no budget. Everyone's opinion is accepted and wanted quite frankly. I learn something new here everyday. It's what makes this forum #1 IMO. With that in mind , I hate over the top opinions. It's one thing to have an opinion but I dislike judgmental points of view and dissing approved vendors on this site that offer us the occasional discount. The goal here is not to confuse, it's to help. After all these years of 4 wheeling, I've never loved it better and glad to be still around to see how far 4 wheeling has progressed. Seems the biggest concern for some is"voiding the warranty and street ride" which is understandable to a degree. Getting back to basics is not a bad thing either. I still think talking with the folks at ToyTec is a good idea. Tell them what your budget is and go from there. :oldglory:
     
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