2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I'm 220lbs so maybe my big old ass just breaks it in?

 

really ? I dont feel like that at all in the tundra , I guess everyone is different, who’d a thunk it

 

Me either, I think the Softex is great ‍

 

I have never had the chance to sit in a Gen3 Tundra because Toyota dealers having inventory that's not purchased trucks being prepped to deliver is a very recent thing near me. That did not happen until maybe 6 months after I got my F150.


My F150 even just in the xlt trim 10 way power setup, without adjustable height lumbar, is the first truck I've owned in 20 years where I do not need a break after 5- 6 hours On the road to stretch my back out. If I didn't need to pee or Eat or sleep I could probably drive for 24 hours straight and still feel great.

The tough thing with seats is
Some feel great for a few minutes but you
Never know how your back will react to them for several hours until you signed the paperwork and took your first road
Trip. Then two different people with different body types will react completely differently to the same seat

 

I get that Toyota wants to streamline production, using the same platform across multiple vehicles etc makes sense. But setting up 3.31/3.55/3/73 gears all take the same amount of work, that's one area where I don't understand giving no option. If they are just going to pick one ratio I suppose something as high as the 3.31 makes sense but the average 1/2 ton owner should be using their truck differently than a Lexus LX. I guess these days most people are just filling their bed with groceries but if you DO use your truck like a truck, it's actually going to more efficient to have the lower gearing as you will spend less time with the turbos spooled up.


10 speed Tundra with 3.31 vs 10R80 with 3.73.

 

https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2023/06/consumer-reports-says-dont-buy-the-2023-ford-f-150/

 

I'm still on meds and in treatment from mine.

 

Its that 2.02 10th and 2.18 9th that annoys me. Not so much the rest. The 1st gear is deep enough. I have 3.73's on my 2014 F150 and my first is 15.6 and does fine with 315/70's.

My 6th gear is 2.57 and I wouldnt want it to be much taller with the 35's. So its like driving around in 8th gear in the Tundra lol.

 

I guess It's easy to dismiss the publication that hit the throttle and yanked the wheel on an Isuzu Trooper for clicks as full of shit but the Ford CEO also admits there's a problem.

Quite a few of the recalls and tsbs are for fairly narrow build ranges, a certain month to another month of some year Or another. Won'y say "all 23s", but rather "all '23s made from April on." Makes me wonder if a lot of it is having to shift rapidly between suppliers they don't have a long relationship with to keep things flowing during the COVID shortages.

They're talking about 2400 fewer parts in the 2024 freshening. I don't know if that's a marketing gimmick that counts screws or rivets replaced by welds or it's a serious attempt to simplify the systems to help reliability and diagnosis.

 

I hadn't heard the goal of 2400 fewer parts.
I do know that Ford Dearborn, not the dealer, is driving the process to troubleshoot. The dealer may know they need three modules to fix a problem but Ford forces them to replace one at a time so they can isolate the problem and bill back the supplier. It makes for a painfully slow resolution but it does drive actually fixed the root of the problem. It sucked for me as a customer, it's awful for the dealer as they end up over book rates but it does isolate problems while eliminating just "throwing parts" at a problem.
Ford will get it sorted out. Farley, the CEO, ran Lexus and knows what good looks like but it will take years to fix the problem and bad product that's out there.

 

I hope so. I want my powerboost to last me about 10 years as I plan to pay it off in about 4 and add something sporty back to my driveway to replace my Challenger a couple years after that. If there is the potential for it to be a money pit that changes everything.

I am buying 8 yr 100k premium care in a few months then giving it next year to see if it is as reliable then as it was from March of '22 to May of this year, when the tsb messed it up and made it re enact the movie "Christine" in my driveway.

As much as I love the features I can't get emotional about it. If it looks like it can't maintain a 100% track record getting the family from pt A to B it'll have to go. I can't be sitting by the side of the road with my hood up and my wife giving me side eye from the passenger seat mumbling about why I had to go American. No
Way I'm putting up with that.

 

Who got that login to see the data

 

My opinion only but I'd say you're fine. The powertrains are as solid as you can get. The electronics probably play to infant mortality rates. It's most likely to fail early on and the odds decrease over time. In my case, the truck did wonky stuff from day one and got worse.

 

I would also agree that the Ford powertrains are generally pretty solid with the timing components being the major black mark, but that was resolved.

Ford seems to overbuild their engines kinda like a 2JZ or something. The 5.0 can take a serious amount of power with minimal mods and so can the Ecoboost. There are quite a few gen 2 ecoboosts out there running 600+ whp on the stock long block with turbos and e85. I think a build or two has approached 700 whp. Basically doubling factory power.

 

Ecoboost is on Gen3 with seemingly all the most troublesome components revised. 5.0 like GM V8s seems like it has a tough time integrating smoothly with AFM, otherwise it's solid.

I just changed fluid in both diffs at a
Little over a year, will likely do my transfer case next year and a trans drain and fill. Dealer gave me side eye for starting those fluid changes so early but I do it on my own modified schedule so all break in stuff is out of the truck in the first few years and there is no big bill at 90 or 100k when most manufacturers start to have a longer list of things they recommend.

This youtube mechanic has an interesting take on 5.0 oil consumption.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Clu37-kTjXQ

 

My 2019 Mustang does not burn oil. Sitting @ 65k. I also have Ford Motorsport catch can, ‍♂️

 

The transfer case is easy luckily but ford sucks and doesnt put drains in the diffs. I sucked the fluid out of the front diff with a pump.

I dont know how it is on the 10 speed trans, but my 6 speed didnt have a drain. And the fill plug is right next to the passenger downpipe. The procedure to fill the trans is with the fluid at like 203F so that downpipe is a million degrees and I got burns even with gloves on. It sucked.

 

Ford receives massive $9.2B loan to boost US EV battery capacity

https://electrek.co/2023/06/22/ford-receives-9-2-billion-loan-boost-us-ev-battery-capacity/

Ford Motor is set to receive the single largest loan in the history of the Department of Energy’s (DOE) Loan Program Office.
The whopping $9.2 billion will be used to build three EV battery factories as Ford looks to boost domestic capacity.
The loan is also the largest (by far) since the US auto bailout sparked by the global financial crisis in 2009, according to Bloomberg.

 

“Loan”

 

Whether you like it or not - everyone on this thread that is a US taxpayer is a Ford stakeholder 8^0

I was a passenger in the son in laws 2022 F150 Limited for the better part of a day couple days ago. Cruising in style. Overall a beast of a vehicle with all the Goodies. IMO more an SUV with a Bed with its street tires and chrome tow hooks. It suits their needs perfectly.
Cabin nice and airy. This truck has everything. But I would be intimidated to own a truck that had this many "gadgets" like the massaging seats and power step bar outside of warranty.
I asked how he likes it. He likes it a lot. I asked about issues. Outside of the recalls, there is a phantom that turns the head lights on by themselves when not wanted and beeps.
There is also a water leak through the driver side ceiling speaker. Yeah a ceiling speaker above the head.
I checked his drain under the roof length moon roof but it is complicated - layered. No way to get under the drain hole that is visible to look without taking apart. My Tundra in comparison is a hole that leads down the pillars on each side- very easy to take a wire to it and unclog. Why my roof allows by design pine needles through is another question. Are the new Tundras like that?
Coming in through the trail there was a nasty loud rattle in the back. I told him it might be the cable that controls power for the rear sliding window banging around. It's a lease he is not too worried about it. Dash said 12.4 liters/100kms average mileage.
The other thing is my '18 truck's body and frame is quiet going into trails just like the 4Runner.
I heard what seemed to be a number of creaks and groans on this F150.

 

I’ve never heard of a Tundra being accused of being quiet. Love my Tundra, but it’s loud.

My dad has a 23 F-150 and it is super solid feeling/sounding and very quiet. My Tundra feels loose and less refined. I’ll still take my Tundra as I trust it more than Fords new offerings for reliability.

 

My 21 Tundra didn’t have any creaks. Dropped that for a 21 lariat 5.0 that creaked and I used post it’s folded up to alleviate.

22 and 23 tundras creaked inside and out. The door door panels, center console and dash pieces. Also driving over any bump rattled the entire rear end.

22 raptor has 1 door panel creak on passenger side. But everything else is super solid. I’ve already taken apart my entire center console and center dash and reassembled and it’s still solid. Best part is I can hit any bump any time and I have zero rattles.

im curious on the 24 f150 that’s supposed to be made with 2400 fewer parts. Which I’m thinking doesn’t mean the truck itself has 2400 fewer parts but everything required to assemble it. So more lean manufacturing and lean trimming of packages and options.

F150 is a double edged sword- people love the ability to custom pick an array of options and adds but apparently it’s killing their bottom line

 

My Ecoboost is a quiet motor with no pumped in V8 sound, just a muted hum that escalates in volume with some turbo whine when you get into it. If a mouse peeps in the truck I'm going to hear it. Nothing so far in terms of squeaks and rattles though.

Because wind noise is now so prominent due to nothing downing it out, but still very low, I find myself obsessing over it and how it changes in pitch and volume with speed. There is a change in it at 75mph around the mirrors and ventshades that always catches my attention that would probably not register at all with me if I had a V8. I find without much interior engine noise that my mind is drawn to sounds that normally wouldn't register with me.


With the loud roar of my 5.7 I have no idea How many squeaks and rattles may have developed in my Tundra after 13 years that I never even knew were there. Could have been zero, could have been quite a few.

 

I am talking about body creaks and groans on the trail and off the gas. The F150 Limited tires rims suspension allowed the stones and pebbles to be felt in the seat. My Tundra's TRD OR suspension absorbs these and the bed always has weight in it so it is solid feeling. Empty bed is different but it was designed to carry weight and work. There is no way the Fords power side steps (designed to move) are not going to have movement on a trail.

 

This is why I love the Ecoboost(and imagine the new Tundra motor). You can be pulling a trailer up a mountain at 70mph and its just a light hum.

Its probably half the reason the Ecoboost gets the bad reputation for MPG's. It goes about everything so casually that you never get the sense that the motor is stressed. It just does it, and so it makes it really easy to use all of the power on tap without even thinking about it.

 

Yeah to get any growl I have to put it in sport, which seems to change the engine timing and sound and give it an immediate "dog straining against a leash" feel. But still very quiet. My wife appreciates it after years in my Challenger RT and Tundra. Still weird to me.

I have been told multiple times the Ram Hemi will get almost the same MPG as an Ecoboost or powerboost in normal non hyper-miling driving conditions and I'm like big whoop, but where is the extra 100-plus pounds of torque.

 

That may be true kinda, but I have had a bunch of Hemi rentals for 3-7 day trips and never found the mileage to be all that great. I think they do well all highway but suffer everywhere else. The 8 speed trans is awesome though.

The one I had in Banff for a week virtually never went into 4 cylinder mode even though it had 3.92 gears and we did tons of flat freeway. It had the G/T package with the mopar exhaust and it was really annoying. Im all for V8 sound but this thing was burbling and popping and making tons of noise all the time.

The GM V8’s do seem to do really well. I have had a couple Suburbans with the 5.3L that got like 22 over a whole trip. One was from San Fransisco to Yosemite, all around Yosemite for a few days, and back to sfo.

 

After 5 years with a Dakota 4.7 with a 13 inch muffler and then 5 years with a Challenger RT with muffler delete I thought I'd have a hard time adjusting but I've come to not mind the quiet at all. I guess that's part of getting old. I would still not kick a 5.0 out of my garage if one showed up one day, probably going that route now that Challenger is making its muscle all electric.

But if it ever happens it will stay stock. I have lost my interest in setting off car alarms just by driving by.

 

Idled at the store for a few. About to get a drink, run through the touchless then hit up Cabela's. Got a 25 minute highway ride so she'll probably be over 22 mpg in a bit. Probably optimistic by about
.5. Admittedly a lot of this last tank was cruising through long stretches in beach towns with 25 And 45mph limits and not many stop signs, optimal conditions for this system.

 

its still better than my wifes 2009 Subaru Legacy 2.5i. The car weighed 3100 lbs and had 160 hp.