Armor and Children

Agreed. As good of an idea as it is, its probably equally as unlikely.

 

total agreement

 

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Of course it’s unlikely. We care more about “our team” winning elections than we do about whether or not they’re doing their jobs. They play us all against each other and laugh together when the cameras aren’t around. They distract us with unimportant bullshit and clickbait, while they keep on getting richer. IDGAF which side you’re on, that’s all they care about.

 

One day people will figure that out, i just hope I am around to see it and it isnt too late if/when it happens.

 

I am of the belief that it is currently happening. Not quite on a scale necessary to invoke change yet, as that will take time, but there are a lot of John Rambo* moments happening for folks.


*Not the SF tactical ninja crap, but decent normal people just wanting to be left alone being forced into responding. Wait and see when those trained to respond with force start to do so.

 

Tried it during Covid.

We lost a minimum of 1 year of education with the majority of public school students. Whole classrooms were 'empty' so we were instructed to make videos of our instruction to be accessed by them at their convenience. Assignments were posted but never turned in. Pointless.

 

The realities in which we live today are almost the fiction stories of our societal collective childhoods. It’s pretty unreal that on a Truck forum we are discussing how to best protect our children from heavily armed mass murderers invading schools and massacring them.

How did we, as a society, let it come to this point? How much worse does it get before we figure out a solution?


Online school isn’t great for a lot of kids. They need that socialization and to be away from home. Varied experiences and social contacts are fantastic for building neural connections, especially in the growing mind of a child.

 

This is honestly one of the main reasons i would avoid homeschooling, even if I could actually do it, I understand people saying with our digital world and all the other activities kids do, like sports and stuff, you would get socialization, but its different to be exposed to it constantly on a day to day basis with "unfiltered" populations, like that in a public school.

 

agree 100%.

 

The interaction children get from being around each other - having conversations, academic-centric peer discussions, and as they get older, immersion into societal hierarchy to include negative encounters like bullies, girls/boys, etc is crucial in building character that cannot be duplicated in an alternate setting.

 

In all reality i its precisely those negative interactions that prepares you best for the realities of the world.

 

Amen. The more prepared kids are to deal with adversity, the more prepared they are to be resilient and take care of their own one day.

 

tell us how you really feel.

 

I'll give you that. It was most definitely established in a rushed, emergency response to the gov't mandates for school closings.

Correspondence/distance/remote learning is still less than ideal. We already see how today's kids interact differently in person due to their generation's dependence upon technology and its side effects.

 

lol!

 

I am not saying that one NEEDS the school to teach them about negative interactions, the parents of course would be the primary "teacher" in the ways the world. What I am saying is the public school experience itself as an environment exposes you to those situations in a more real world unfiltered way than a discussion with a parent, and often would start that exposure earlier than alternatives like homeschooling as an example. Nothing is 100% effective. People can be completely normal and socialized by growing up with 1 or 2 people only, but in general for a mass population for a large number of situations, you get that exposure sooner and more saturated in a public school setting. Thats it.

 

Sorry, but that isn't the norm. While I applaud your results, and certainly seek to emulate them with my own, it just isn't what is happening on a macro level in today's schools. Theoretically, you're dead on, but realistically speaking, teachers are all too often filling in the gaps (and they're frighteningly wide).

 

And this is the root of the problem. Somewhere along the way, people expect teachers to teach their kids things that parents should be doing. When I was a kid, school was for learning to read and doing math and what not. It wasnt a boarding school for troubled kids to be taught to be normal. If i was to act out or disrespect a teacher, my ass would be beat like my parents were going to get a prize after. Now I feel like if a teacher tells a kids parents the child is being a pain or acting inappropriately, the parents would be like "why arent you teaching them to not do that, why do i even bother bringing them to school in the first place?".

 

To a degree I feel like your arguments for proper parenting instead of others teaching your kids would be exactly what would be needed in the capacity/context of what you stated above and now would be the best time for one to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak, in regards to their parenting skills. Again, not a personal attack, I just feel like if you are going to stand behind the parenting comes first stance, this would be a great test for it and one would be further motivated to be more attentive/involved because of the bs social experimentation going on. Granted it may be an expensive gamble but, for the sake of the discussion here, i think it makes sense.

 

Exactly what I was about to ask. Where exactly could we move to be safe from school shootings? It has happened in private schools and schools with SRO's. It has happened in states all over the country. It's only going to get worse.

 

Honestly, coupled with low pay, district & campus level oversight, and state level red tape bureaucracy, teachers are leaving in droves because they're physically and mentally exhausted. I can't tell you how relieved I was to have this year come to an end.

 

Exactly, and while you could potentially move maybe to Canada or something, it isnt easy. It is very hard to move out of the US. I actually looked into it some time ago when my work had an opportunity in Ireland, and even with a job lined up, its still not as easy as anyone coming into the US.

 

I would also encourage Homeschool, if possible.

https://hslda.org/

If it is possible, this would solve many issues but also open up a whole world of opportunity.

 

My wife has a friend she has known since middle school that is a teacher. She is over 40 now and she still lives like she just got out of college, barely able to sustain herself alone. Its sad. Granted she teacher art and music, which is probably the one of the subjects with the lowest retention rate when it comes to budget issues, but the point is the same that a teacher can barely support herself. She doesnt even have a family which i bet the vast majority of teachers have. Its amazing.

 

Not sure what training is required, but in Utah, I heard they do allow armed teachers, parents, delivery driver, etc. To my knowledge (and I don't read the news much), but I don't ever remember a school shooting in Utah.

So I am not against training, but I would hate to say, "Train or no firearms" is worse than the mere threat of potentially having armed resistance.

 

The school shooting debacle isn't what should be addressed and I've gotta hunch that if all schools were all of a sudden beefed up with armed security, the shootings would take place elsewhere. The truth is this is a problem that's culminated after years of failed "restorative" policy/practices written by politicians who were never teachers.

Year after year I see students with out of control anger issues who throw chairs and desks like rocks, spit on others including staff, punch, bite, kick, cuss like drunken sailors, and literally tear apart classrooms. We aren't talking about high school teenagers here...I'm talking about Kindergarten through 5th grade. There is a reason all SpEd certified teachers must be certified in restraints and holds (and every other year they take away what we can do in that regard too). At this point, common practice is to clear the room (all instruction stops) to a hallway or merge with another class (interrupt their instruction) and leave the entire room to the student who is throwing a tantrum. Sweet talk them into leaving the room to calm down which usually means treats, coloring books, walking the halls with an escort, or if they're lucky, a parent takes them home. They wanted to leave in the first place...where's the consequence for their actions? There isn't any...and rarely ever is. As they get older, they've mastered the system and now exploit it to the fullest but by now their behavior is so bad they'll get transferred to an alternative campus (if the District has one) or snap and do something even worse...

At my last campus, a 3rd grader tackled our behavioral coach and beat her face in until he got pulled off. The same kid punched and kicked his teacher multiple times which cause her to go to urgent care then miss school a couple days.

 

I hear you. And I am not suggesting that solves all the problems.

I believe a good swift licking to the backside would be most warrented, when they are younger.

(ETA: I am not advocating abuse. But I was spanked when I was younger and it didn't hurt but helped. I NEVER promote abuse and will stand firmly against those who do abuse.)

But in this thread, I am dealing with the question about armor and children's backpack.

I have many things that would have to be restored: respect, honor, integrity, Bible, prayer, etc. But I am simply addressing the main topic.

 

Some districts (especially smaller ones that can't afford the "better" wages bigger districts can) offer stipends for additional work or trainings. Summer camps, which are basically remediation for low performance students, are a big draw for teachers needing extra pay and they fill up fast. To add to the low pay workload, many states require teachers to use some of their summertime to attend professional development (PD) workshops to acquire the annual 30 hours (150 hours per 5 years).

 

We need parents to get involved by attending the school board meetings, organizing their own committees to share information and strategize change, talk to their elected officials.... instead many rant online and leave it there.