Looked at everything and bought a Tundra

it was something, Ive never had that happen before. it went crazy, it said I was doing 60 when I was doing like 25 and then said I was doing 30 when I was doing 60 plus.

every warning light came on , and it was running really odd, rough, etc.

I went right back to the dealer and was like, hey man, your truck is broken, I left it on so he could see. He said, O man Im sorry, do you want us to call you when we fix to buy it,

I said , no offense , but I simply cant do that, no thank you, good luck.

everybody was friendly, etc, but I just couldn't do it. I was going to get a loaded platinum black appearance package F-150 powerboost. I didnt like the chunkiness of the powertrain either though, the tundra is just a better truck for me.

 

A few questions to ask before you buy an F150- 1. How long does it take to get in for non critical warranty repair? Say something with the infotainment or telematics. In my case, it was 4-6 weeks at 3 dealers. 2. How many F150's have been in the shop without resolution for >30 days and what is the escalation process? 3. How long does it take for a vehicle to actually get looked at after it is brought in for an appointment? The dealers are understaffed and overrun with problems that take too long to remediate with the staff they do have. At the three dealers I work with, the appointment is really only getting in line. It may take 3 days for someone to look at the vehicle after you drop it off if its and electronic issue.

 

I have two Toyotas because the reliability was a no brainer. At the time the Sequoia was fine for what I needed for towing. It still works mostly for my towing, and I love that it’s only 19’ long, but I’ve taken everything to the towing spec limits, which is fine that’s what the limits are for. I just wish I had a bit more payload headroom, and/or towing capacity. But I can manage the weight and live with it. I will test drive a Tundra next week and see. Will look at the back seat and see if I can remove one.

If I had bought a full size truck in the first place, I’d be in a better place right now. I did put suspension air bags in the Sequoia, which was a PITA jamming them in there. They are great so far, except for highways built with concrete and control/expansion joints. The back end bobs up and down at a steady pace over concrete highway construction. I think each section of concrete must be a very subtle curve. So I don’t think I have a permanent solution for my camper except for shorter trips up into the foothills from here.

 

Can anyone point me in the right direction on the tundra’s load leveling suspension pros and cons?

edit— found a thread. https://www.tundras.com/threads/is-...eight-control-air-suspension-worth-it.110674/

 

Bingo. I think you've hit it exactly on the head. I'd be a little jumpy about the 2023 Superduty too. They had 40,000 sitting on lots awaiting parts a short while ago. I'd rather have a 2022 SD.
The philosophy of how Ford and Toyota approach the problem is very different. Ford wants to keep pooping out an F150 every 49 seconds and do rework on the back end. Toyota, stops the line and attempts fixes on the front end. In many cases, Toyota tries to retrieve product to do root cause analysis. Ford just looks at it like "that was a bad 49 seconds".

 

That was my f150 luck @ 44k Trans started having fluid come out of the breather. Towed to dealer and they said it was over full by 3.5 qts, you'd think that would of shown up sooner right? I know a GM mechanic and he said sell it because the internal pump is failing. Ford refused to replace it and only reflashed the TCM (bandaid) until I'm stuck on the road again...bye bye Ford. I had over 10 weeks of the Ford in the shop for several repairs waiting on parts,techs and never once was offered a loaner because they were all being used.

 

Ford has a few things I will miss or they did differently, but breaking down on a trip towing my camper ain't happening. "Transmission failing so it hasn't failed completely, refresh module send customer on there way."

 

That joke is still a little soon for me .

 

Fit and finish! Yikes Toyota is decade's ahead of Ford. That 49 sec a truck is buildt at Ford shows! Yikes my f150 was bad....

 

I also looked at Ford 3 weeks ago before I got my Tundra. We had recently had a bad experience with a Ford Edge (battery drain and APIM wouldn't update) but I thought I'd look, because I was interested in the 3.5 ecoboost for towing my camper. Three (count them) of the trucks the salesmen went to show me had dead batteries. So I drove one and then left. Bought the Toyota.

 

One I disliked was the Ford if not disturbed for so many days, the key fob would not be recognized(passenger side only)so you had to press the button. The body control module would go to sleep, read it was normal. The drivers side was always awake though .

 

Definitely not the move to go with the F150 Hybrid. A recent survey from consumer reports. It's a long haul to get out of a quality mess and Ford is in one.

Quoting- Rather, the Ford F-150 PowerBoost ranked as the least reliable vehicle in Consumer Reports‘ most recent rankings with a reliability score of just 4 out of 100, placing it dead last among all vehicles tested. Owners that were surveyed in this latest round cited a few specific problem areas as the main culprits behind this rating, a list that includes the truck’s electrical system, drive system, power equipment, engine, noises, and leaks.

 

No it has rainbow paint!!!
https://www.motor1.com/news/593537/2022-ford-very-gay-raptor-for-goodwood-festival-of-speed/

 

Holy crap, I thought you were kidding.

 

The odd thing is, as bad as my F150 is, the only truck other than the Tundra I'm interested in right now is a Super Duty 6.7.
I think history may show that 2022 was just a sub-par model year for everything.

 

I've got a long history with PowerStrokes back to the 7.3's. The 6.7 is complicated for sure but it drives great and makes tons of power.
Too much truck for what I'm doing now though.

 

that commercial has been out for almost a year but I find it funny all of sudden it’s a ‘thing.’

I wouldn’t again. Consumed oil.

 

I’m confused. How many people here would go right back to a tundra if theirs was to be a lemon? I’m sure many would. Manufacturing will always have lemons but it doesn’t speak to the brand as a whole. I’m stoked to hear you love your tundra (because I love mine, or I wouldn’t be here) but it’s such a weird comment to make about the ford. They aren’t the best selling truck for 40-50 years straight for no reason.

 

My father's 1999 7.3 stroke still runs like a top. He takes HORRIBLE care of it. Well, changes fluids, and brakes, tires etc when needed but it's a farm truck/tow pig and it just doesn't quit. Not even sure the gauges work or the odometer still spins. Still has the lick marks on the inside of the passenger window from his chocolate lab that passed away 6 years ago or so. Just can't bring himself to clean it.

It would be nice if manufacturers went back to this model.

 

by volume only

 

WERE!

 

Good luck with your soon to be 1794. I've had mine for over a year now and am very happy with it. Have the gas only version as I enjoy the under-seat storage. Very happy with the fit and finish and the ride overall. Had the clunking sound upon start up that many here have experienced but a software update took care of that.

Other than one time in which the truck shut off on me and started right back up, I've had no issues and have close to 16,000 miles.

Hope you enjoy as much as I do!

 

The good news is is that Ford seems to be aware of their issues and are apparently doing something about it. Jim Farley has made multiple public comments, they got rid of the QA/QC person, and I have seen a number of stop sales on various models. Hopefully in the next year we see a much different situation, especially with the 2024 updated F150 coming out.

 

It will take much longer than a year to get out of the hole Ford is in from a quality standpoint. It's people, process, training and suppliers. Everything I went through was broken.

 

Having trust in one brand more than another is very normal I get it. I agree with you 100% if a lemon truck from Ford is bad enough to leave the brand then it should be the same for Toyota. Like you said about best selling, Ford puts out probably 10X the amount of trucks as Toyota therefore Lemons are 100% more frequent. I do not believe any truck brand is worth more then personal experience or trust in my vehicle. I cant overlook issues with one brand or another because I am loyal to said brand. Personally I had a 13 SR5 Tundra was AMAZING my 17 Platinum has me about 99% foot out of the door on Toyota. I have never eyed other brands but there is no denying GM/Chevy & Ford have some many more trucks on the road then Toyota. They have to build a pretty good product as well.

 

Ford quality is for shit. People need to stop saying it's because they make more cars. Average defect rate per 100 cars is 186. Lexus is 133, Toyota 168. Lincoln and Ford suck at 259 and 249 barely ahead of Land Rover. Other numbers, Ford's warranty pay out is 2x GM per vehicle. Most recalls too. On a per unit basis you're more likely to get a lemon.

 

Your talking about two different companies on two totally different paths. They are different beasts completely and their business models fit that as well. To throw out the fact of number of units produced is basically throwing out the argument. Go to any large company who carries a large fleet of work vehicles almost every time its a GM or Ford product. Im not saying its not due in part to fleet discounts at time of purchase but there is a reason they are not fleets of Toyotas. Ford truly is the beast that needs to be fed. They are very focused on volume therefore they are going to pump out more mistakes. The goals of america brands is to see volume. Hell look at Ram....... they have a 100K truck on the market in the TRX and I see one on every corner and every says Ram is absolute shit on quality. How do you justify they are shit but both Ford and Ram pump out 100K trucks like its nothing. its all perspective and people have good and bad luck with ANY brand

 

Uh, Toyota is the largest automaker in the world at 8.5M. Ford at 5M. Who's the beast? If you don't like objective data look up the CEO's comments on quality. Even he says it sucks and not in an indirect way.

 

Sorry I wasnt speaking on auto maker, Im speaking about trucks. Ford and GM are the largest pick up truck manufacturers. Ford sold 600K TRUCKS in 22 to Toyotas 100K. Can speak about all vehicles as I am only concerned with the truck sector of the debate lol

EDIT: Toyota sells 300K trucks when you include the Tacoma. GM sold 800K between GMC and Chevy