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Leveling 22 Platinum with AVS/Air

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by 2bak, Dec 22, 2021.

  1. Feb 27, 2023 at 6:57 PM
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    Right on, thanks! After asking you and others and reading around, I think I will go with the preload westcott for my front and maybe the afe for the rear. I'm hoping to lift the whole thing an inch or so, but to still maintain a slight rake.
     
  2. Feb 27, 2023 at 7:01 PM
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    Sounds like you are looking for the same build/stance as I was. Id suggest the Westcott Avs/air ride lift… they send their own assets for the rear air in the kit. I’ll send ya measurements soon.
     
  3. Feb 27, 2023 at 7:05 PM
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    Yes I am. But somebody a page is so back. Seemed to think that the AFE version maybe had a centimeter or two lift higher than the westcott. Plus it is $70 cheaper lol.
     
  4. Feb 27, 2023 at 7:08 PM
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    lol yeah that was me, I posted the image of both arms - full disclosure, I didn’t actually measure… it just looks slightly bigger … but fair enough on the price :)
     
  5. Feb 27, 2023 at 7:09 PM
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    Hahaha
     
  6. Feb 28, 2023 at 6:14 AM
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    Ok so the digital measurement is Front: 23.5 center hub to fender, Back: 24.5 center hub to fender, 1.5—1.75 of poke with 35/12.5/18 tires with +18 offset.
     
  7. Feb 28, 2023 at 7:02 AM
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    This is perfect thank you!
     
  8. Mar 18, 2023 at 12:20 PM
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    This may have been asked before, but does anyone know the biggest size tire you can fit on the 2022/2023 tundra 20" rims? That is, without modification etc.
     
  9. Mar 18, 2023 at 2:20 PM
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    Wrong thread to ask that
     
  10. Mar 18, 2023 at 2:22 PM
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    Not really. The avs sits a bit different than the non avs. I plan to put a leveling kit and the avs arms on it, but I want to know what size tire fits on the stock setup before I add height to it.
     
  11. Mar 18, 2023 at 2:52 PM
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    In my experience with a rear air platinum with AVS: 285/60/20 fits with zero modifications…. 295/60/20 ‘may’ work with just a simple pin back of the front fender liner.
     
  12. Mar 18, 2023 at 2:53 PM
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    Thank you very much.
     
  13. Mar 18, 2023 at 3:00 PM
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    Yep - the rear air ride and the air ride with AVS are definitely a different animal - they can be challenging if you think updates are as simple as the other suspensions … lol… a bit of a PIA :)
     
  14. Mar 19, 2023 at 7:43 AM
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    I forgot to ask, do you have the rear arm maxed out?
     
  15. Mar 19, 2023 at 9:41 AM
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    yes - but they are the Westcott arms. Give me about an inch of rake.
     
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    Thanks. I got my 2023 mag grey 1794 today. I maxed out the stock arms. I will measure tomorrow and post the stock height from middle of hub to fender.

    As you had said before, looks like the afe might give a tiny bit of more height than the westcott. I might do the westcott preload collars for the front and the afe arms for the rear.
     
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    Anything further from ICON on this yet ?
     
  18. Mar 22, 2023 at 5:26 AM
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    I haven't heard anything yet. Though, for those of us that drive AVS equipped vehicles there may not be an answer coming. Our only option is to unplug it if we choose to do a strut/coilover upgrade... it will just need to be disconnected and cease to function with the type of add-on. As for the rear air aspect of things, I know that is still I the works at Icon (or so they told me). Someone else may have more updated info but that is my understanding currently. There are a few kits out there now from Fabtech and Ready-Lift that are designed to work with a Rear-air system but again... it means deciding to disconnect your AVS controls in the front. It all depends on what you are hoping to do. My goal was to lift the vehicle to get a bit more height, keep everything as stock as possible, fit a 35 inch tire cleanly, and try and maintain as much ride quality as I could. I chose Westcott because it was an all in one package specifically designed to work with the AVS and it was a cost effective solution that kept the vehicle stock. It can be removed easily if needed and didnt require any permanent changes. I also kept as much of the ride quality as possible (I know people on here complain about the choppy ride of a Westcott, but we (AVS owners) don't have a lot of options, and I truly don't feel like its THAT much different than stock). Yes, a full suspension upgrade is ALWAYS better but with the AVS (unless something crazy comes out) we just dont have that option. **to my knowledge**
     
  19. Mar 22, 2023 at 6:44 AM
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    I measured mine with the stock brackets maxed out. Mine was with a tape measure so give or take a tiny bit lol. The driver to passenger side difference was negligible.
    Front: 21 3/8
    Rear: 23 1/8
     
  20. Mar 23, 2023 at 8:45 AM
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    I don't remember anymore, but I think somewhere below middle.
    -99
     
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    Had anyone used the ready lift sst 2" kit for the AVS? Looks like the front is the same as their front spacers for leveling, but I read in one of the posts it puts spacers in to lift the airbags that way the bags stay stock and you don't risk over inflation.
     
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    For anyone interested, I talked to ready lift and here is what they said about their kit. Also, it has been tested on a capstone so it does work with the iforce max.

    "The bag spacers and shock extensions allow the bags and shocks to sit how they would from factory then the kit also includes the ride height sensor bracket to set the air bags at the proper ride height so they can adjust how they would factory as well. That is the same issue we saw with other kits. if the bags and shocks are not extended it would affect functionality and ride comfort."
     
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    makes sense...Westcott, AFE and maxed out OEM arms shove more air in the bag, thus creating a harsher ride. Although Westcott does provide shock extenders, that only addresses shock travel, not bag placement like readylift. I think a hybrid of readylift rear setup with Westcott front would be ideal but a little on the expensive side for sure.

    Thanks for reaching out to them!
     
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    Right on. Yeah I just read through the installation instructions and there are pics to show everything, makes me feel better about what they offer.

    Agreed that the westcott front would be more ideal. When I spoke to westcott, they told me they do not have shock extenders for the rear arms. Even if they do, you are still putting more air in the bag whereas readylift keeps it at the stock amount, and allows you to adjust the arms up and down to add more air. I had mixed response from westcott on the rear arms however. One person told me that maxing them out is not an issue at all with the air bags, and another told me that you should not max it out and put it in the middle.

    Readylift also extends the bump stops down which I think is good.
     
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    As far as extenders go, they supplied a bushing to lower the shock body some. It might not be a shaft extension like the RL but it essentially does the same but to a lesser extent. One thing to consider is full suspension droop. You wouldnt want to lift the truck from the frame, over extend the bags and rip them (I've seen it happen in my prior life in the dropped truck scene). The RL just seems like a safer bet for the rear setup. Shame that westcott didnt go that route.
     
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    Agreed. I was about to pull the trigger on westcott and then found this one. Same cost and seems safer as you said with the air bag spacers.
     
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    so if I were to forgo installing my westcott kit and move to the ICON stage 4. I would basically be disconnecting both the AVS & Air Ride in the rear. Circumventing that system in its entirety. Is that how I understand this?
     
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    If ICON gets rid of the bags, yes. Not sure if the bag mounting plates are different than coil sprung trucks...I'd imagine they would be different
     
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    Crazy question, if I buy the readylift lift for avs just for the rear (only use the rear lift), is anyone interested in buying the front part of that lift off me? I want to buy the westcott front collar and use the readylift rear.
     
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    I am getting ready to forgo the Westcott PreLoad Collar Lift Kit I ordered for my Platinum with AVS/Air Ride and go all in on an ICON Stage 4. I will need to order the Ready Lift Kit that comes with the Airbag spacers as well as the rear arm adjustment replacement bracket. My question to you would be what else if anything might I need that you have found on yours was necessary. I know you did the TRD Lift and I saw Toyota had you order some specific parts - not sure if those would apply to what I am about to do though. Thanks ahead of time for the help.
     

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