2018 Tundra Limited - Foglights ~ yellow or OEM

Outbound · Dec 16, 2022

Cpl_Punishment said: ↑

Why you always got to be so negative, bro?
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Why not?

ToyoMafia · Dec 16, 2022

War Machine said: ↑

The lady isn’t on the box anymore. They got rid of the Indian and kept the land.
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LTundra · Dec 19, 2022

memario1214 said: ↑

I understand that they are serving the purpose that you have requested of them, and I tend to shy away from blasting other products as it's not really my M-O, but I also have to point some things out because folks will trickle into this thread and others for years to come I imagine. In order for a bulb of any kind to operate properly in a housing designed around a halogen bulb it would have to emit light uniformly from a precisely centered point inside of the housing. An LED bulb can't truly achieve this for multiple reasons. 1) It can't be located in the center of the housing as the LED chips need a surface on which to mount pushing it away from center, and 2) an LED chip can only produce light in a single direction. Having these elements out of place leads to increased glare/uplight and decreased performance where it's needed most. Whether the owner of these types of bulbs knows that they are causing more glare to oncoming traffic is up for debate, but in reality they are. Please (if you're able/willing) post pictures of just the fog lights on with the truck about 10ft away from a garage door and I can explain what I mean.

The concept of a plug-and-play switchback bulb further compounds these issues. In order to produce dual-color output a switchback bulb must contain 2 separate pairs of LED emitters. Neither of which are in the same place, and neither of which are occupying the true centerpoint of the housing.

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I can't stop anyone from buying products that have a bevy of gimmicks from switchback functionality to promising 4 BILLION lumens of output, but I can at least educate those who are cruising around looking for information. The LED manufacturers will continue to produce and sell millions of these products to people who don't want to spend a lot of money or to people who simply want the different look when on. If the change in look is all that you're going for, know that you most likely are blinding your fellow motorist, but party on. I can't stop you.

If you want to upgrade your housings and get peak fog performance there's options like full replacements such as the Diode Dynamics SS3/Elite, Morimoto 4Banger, Rigid SAE.
If you want to keep the OEM look then upgrading the bulb to a higher wattage bulb like a Philips HIR bulb.
If you're dead set on a drop-in LED, want yellow, and actually want a performance improvement the closest bulb I have seen to actually representing the central emitter point is the Morimoto 2Stroke 3.0. It won't match a standalone housing's performance, but it'll definitely be a jump from OEM.
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I would never expect the pop in bulbs to perform the same as a light that replaces the original, that has a backlight etc. However, a couple of things:

1. I need to check for myself to see if yellow IS an improvement. What if I spent all that money and the result was just not what I wanted?
2. You and any vendor has to still have their prices compared to what you can get on Amazon. I don't expect the prices the be the same, but if its way off, then you know, I'm buying a light that can only be replaced by another one, not really that can be fixed. Amazon can replace a light just like anyone else although they can't answer questions. But its a sealed light assembly, how many questions should I have other than maybe installation. See what I mean?
3. If I like the yellow and I see that it can be even better, then I'll go with actual lights. That whole switching thing is more of an irritation to me and I would think it would effect the lifetime of the bulb. I do not expect something that costs a fraction of the price to last as long or achieve the same quality.

memario1214 · Dec 20, 2022

LTundra[OP] said: ↑

I would never expect the pop in bulbs to perform the same as a light that replaces the original, that has a backlight etc. However, a couple of things:

1. I need to check for myself to see if yellow IS an improvement. What if I spent all that money and the result was just not what I wanted?
2. You and any vendor has to still have their prices compared to what you can get on Amazon. I don't expect the prices the be the same, but if its way off, then you know, I'm buying a light that can only be replaced by another one, not really that can be fixed. Amazon can replace a light just like anyone else although they can't answer questions. But it's a sealed light assembly, how many questions should I have other than maybe installation. See what I mean?
3. If I like the yellow and I see that it can be even better, then I'll go with actual lights. That whole switching thing is more of an irritation to me and I would think it would effect the lifetime of the bulb. I do not expect something that costs a fraction of the price to last as long or achieve the same quality.
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1) Completely understand. That's the hardest thing about selling/marketing premium products in any genre. If you can't show or convince someone that it's better they won't buy it.
2) If you're talking about products that we offer in particular you shouldn't be able to find them cheaper on Amazon. If we're talking about "similar" products then we're back to the original argument of quality vs price. Most premium brands are price locked (MAP) so if there is a lower price available on Amazon that usually gets a slap pretty quickly. Of course there are manufacturer sales that will come up, and sometimes we will adjust our Amazon listings accordingly. Other times though after sale pricing and Amazon's cut we can't compete so we don't change our pricing just on that platform to even try and compete. That said, we would still offer the same discounts on our own website that one would find on Amazon and also don't charge sales tax so for most folks we still come out cheaper. We understand that Amazon is a juggernaut and that fight is an uphill battle. We'll always have that one.
3) Again, I can't control how anyone spends their hard-earned money. This stuff is my passion though and I have devoted a whole lot of time to understanding what works and what doesn't. I'm going to do my best to educate folks based upon what I know. What works for me and what is "best" might not fit the budget nor the use case of everyone out there. I'm not telling anyone that their purchase was wrong. I know that Snap-On and Mac tools are out there, but I still buy most of my tools at Harbor Freight too!

Tripleconpanna · Dec 20, 2022

memario1214 said: ↑

1) Completely understand. That's the hardest thing about selling/marketing premium products in any genre. If you can't show or convince someone that it's better they won't buy it.
2) If you're talking about products that we offer in particular you shouldn't be able to find them cheaper on Amazon. If we're talking about "similar" products then we're back to the original argument of quality vs price. Most premium brands are price locked (MAP) so if there is a lower price available on Amazon that usually gets a slap pretty quickly. Of course there are manufacturer sales that will come up, and sometimes we will adjust our Amazon listings accordingly. Other times though after sale pricing and Amazon's cut we can't compete so we don't change our pricing just on that platform to even try and compete. That said, we would still offer the same discounts on our own website that one would find on Amazon and also don't charge sales tax so for most folks we still come out cheaper. We understand that Amazon is a juggernaut and that fight is an uphill battle. We'll always have that one.
3) Again, I can't control how anyone spends their hard-earned money. This stuff is my passion though and I have devoted a whole lot of time to understanding what works and what doesn't. I'm going to do my best to educate folks based upon what I know. What works for me and what is "best" might not fit the budget nor the use case of everyone out there. I'm not telling anyone that their purchase was wrong. I know that Snap-On and Mac tools are out there, but I still buy most of my tools at Harbor Freight too!
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What's funny to me is that folks will bitch and complain all day long about quality control and things not lasting as long as they use to, etc... but then when someone offers a better built or non-mass Chinese produced product people will turn away from it due to cost. I just don't get it

It kinda leaves vendors and manufacturers at a loss in being competitive within various markets. They have to choose to either reduce quality and engineering or be happy selling to a much smaller niche of folks within that specific market.

My experience has been that some smaller businesses have recently being going out of their way to remain competitive, offer discounts when/where they can, and provide better interpersonal customer service. So, for me, I'll try to save a few bucks here and there (mainly because it will make me feel better about my purchase), but in the end I'll always try to support the smaller business, who is selling a better product, whenever feasible.

Just my 2 cents...

LTundra · Dec 21, 2022

memario1214 said: ↑

1) Completely understand. That's the hardest thing about selling/marketing premium products in any genre. If you can't show or convince someone that it's better they won't buy it.
2) If you're talking about products that we offer in particular you shouldn't be able to find them cheaper on Amazon. If we're talking about "similar" products then we're back to the original argument of quality vs price. Most premium brands are price locked (MAP) so if there is a lower price available on Amazon that usually gets a slap pretty quickly. Of course there are manufacturer sales that will come up, and sometimes we will adjust our Amazon listings accordingly. Other times though after sale pricing and Amazon's cut we can't compete so we don't change our pricing just on that platform to even try and compete. That said, we would still offer the same discounts on our own website that one would find on Amazon and also don't charge sales tax so for most folks we still come out cheaper. We understand that Amazon is a juggernaut and that fight is an uphill battle. We'll always have that one.
3) Again, I can't control how anyone spends their hard-earned money. This stuff is my passion though and I have devoted a whole lot of time to understanding what works and what doesn't. I'm going to do my best to educate folks based upon what I know. What works for me and what is "best" might not fit the budget nor the use case of everyone out there. I'm not telling anyone that their purchase was wrong. I know that Snap-On and Mac tools are out there, but I still buy most of my tools at Harbor Freight too!
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Something interesting today. So I got my cheap bulbs and was excited to install them. Much to my surprise, when I pulled the assembly out, it appears that the person that had the vehicle before me must have replaced the fog lights because what I found was an entire light, not just a bulb you could twist out. I don't this this is a normal Tundra OEM fog light? Either way, using the cheap bulbs appears to be a non-option.

Larry

1lowlife · Dec 21, 2022

LTundra[OP] said: ↑

Something interesting today. So I got my cheap bulbs and was excited to install them. Much to my surprise, when I pulled the assembly out, it appears that the person that had the vehicle before me must have replaced the fog lights because what I found was an entire light, not just a bulb you could twist out. I don't this this is a normal Tundra OEM fog light? Either way, using the cheap bulbs appears to be a non-option.

Larry

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memario1214 · Dec 22, 2022

LTundra[OP] said: ↑

Something interesting today. So I got my cheap bulbs and was excited to install them. Much to my surprise, when I pulled the assembly out, it appears that the person that had the vehicle before me must have replaced the fog lights because what I found was an entire light, not just a bulb you could twist out. I don't this this is a normal Tundra OEM fog light? Either way, using the cheap bulbs appears to be a non-option.

Larry

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What trim level/year of truck do you have? I'm not sure exactly what year it was... maybe 2018, but either way if you have a high enough trimmed and late enough model vehicle you don't have a replaceable bulb housing. You would have a sealed LED housing directly from the factory which would not have a bulb to replace.

LTundra · Dec 22, 2022

memario1214 said: ↑

What trim level/year of truck do you have? I'm not sure exactly what year it was... maybe 2018, but either way if you have a high enough trimmed and late enough model vehicle you don't have a replaceable bulb housing. You would have a sealed LED housing directly from the factory which would not have a bulb to replace.
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2018 Tundra Limited Crew Cab. Looks like just an LED bulb.

memario1214 · Dec 22, 2022

Do you have a photo of it from the front?

LTundra · Dec 22, 2022

memario1214 said: ↑

Do you have a photo of it from the front?
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No, I'll take one tomorrow and post it.

LTundra · Dec 25, 2022

memario1214 said: ↑

Do you have a photo of it from the front?
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Best I could do currently with the weather we've had.

memario1214 · Dec 27, 2022

LTundra[OP] said: ↑

Best I could do currently with the weather we've had.

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Ah yes. Those be sealed-beam LED units. Unfortunately there's no bulb to change. As far as OEM units go they're actually not "bad". So your options would be either a full replacement unit as I referenced earlier or you could go and seek out a halogen housing to swap in. The LED units are more desirable though so you should be able to come out money ahead if you do decide to go the halogen housing route.

Tundyfundy · Dec 27, 2022

War Machine said: ↑

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