CR reliability ratings

Lol, here goes the MPG talk again. So you’re saving like $2-300 a year over the previous gen? Love it when MPG and 6,000lbs bricks are mentioned in the same sentence.

 

i don’t really give a shit so much about mpg, but that would be a hell of a lot more than that, I get 11-15 depending on winter fuel and driving city vs Highway etc, he’s getting 10 better than that with 5 dollar gas

 

Agreed, and I’ve been driving one for 15 years.

 

Before I put my heavy ass BFG 33 I was getting 18-19. If I drive it just right 20. Now I get around 16-17. I just tow a 8000lb boat and did 10 going 60-65. At 19 vs 22 driving 15k with gas at 3.50, here were I live it’s about 370 a year. That’s nothing write home about and he has a hybrid. I just personally never got the whole I want mpg on a truck thing. Kinda like buying a V6 Camaro but want V8 performance.

 

If you're not getting the EPA ratings with your current truck, you're not going to get them with any other truck either. So you might go from 11 to 15 if you get a 3rd Gen.

 

likely true , but like i have said before I don’t really give a shit

I wanted a 6.2 iforce , ha!

 

While being the least reliable of the Toyota models (moreso quality/ build than anything else) I trust they will get their act together.

As posted on another thread at least the Tundra didn’t land on this list where we can see at least 2 of its competitors


https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...ty-cars-consumer-reports-ranking/10703135002/

 

SC 6.2 would be even better.

 

Go big or go home.

 

That’s what I am talking about.

 

the change in frame was a Macro move by Toyota to save money.
It's a frame now shared by multiple vehicles.
The 2.5 frame was a unique design, built for off road flex and supporting a lot of weight in the bed. Have you looked at the difference in the rear axle? Sweers is an off roader and heralded the design. He got shot down when they went to the new design.

The new frame is what it is and it has introduced many challenges for Toyota, especially with the plastic bed which vibrates at a higher frequency than steel. Rattles and other issues have been reported. If Toyota can resolve these issues - still to be seen. It will also be interesting to see which vehicle the new frame suits the best - I believe the Sequoia/4Runner.

I don't think that any other brand could have introduced a pickup truck - brand new down to every bolt, with so few issues that it is not on the top 10 list of least reliable. So the CR report I see as a positive for the new Tundra.

 

I think no one can argue the fact that when the tundra went from 06 to 07 it was a leaps and bounds redesign. From 21 to 22 was a puddle jump. I would like nothing more that Toyota to get their shit together since I have been a fan for a long time. Not just either, Japanese vehicles in general. They need that design team back and get rid of Mike.

 

This. Anyone who thinks the test wasn't set up at least in part to make the Tundra look bad is delusional. Harmonics is the same reason I could *NOT* drive my previous truck faster than about 55MPH on I-55/I-40 outside of Memphis - the stock suspension was SO bad my head actually hit the roof a few times with my seat belt on.

I live down a pretty terrible gravel road; and to be sure the bed on my 2.5 Gen moves a bit more than my previous truck, but it's nothing like the GIF above. LOL

 

I think if Toyota built a vehicle now that has the reliability and quality of their historic models the cost would be double, so I can’t complain too much about what I got now

 

so 140K for a platinum crewmax?

lol, I don't think so.

They will get there with this one (get 3), I think a entirely new truck during the pandemic and supply BS impacted them, I believe sweers when he just stated that recently that even toyota is not immune to that.

my truck, 2016 has a bunch of cheap ass stuff too, the interior is cheap as hell for a 50K + truck in 2016, there is a ton of mis matched materials, etc.

 

I have a different thinking. People keep blaming the pandemic on everything. The pandemic didn’t cause the plastic to be cheaply made. It didn’t cause the side mirror camera to fall off. It didn’t cause the turbo failures. What the pandemic did cause was supply chain issue with getting parts, not on how they are made. The ecm chips were delayed because the world shut down. When it got back up and running the chips are still the same quality as when we shut down. Can’t blame everything on pandemic. I will say that my interior plastic scratches just by looking at it wrong. The paint is like paper thin or thinker just to please the EPA. I will also say that everything lately is built or made like crap.

 

Our 4Runner Limited back in 1997 was $35k new and no doubt will last longer than anything built now, so yea double the price of todays vehicle to get the same quality and reliability

 

The pandemic did make it difficult to retain skilled workers and keep plants running, it seems.

 

Definitely it did. But the product itself is made by a machine so it’s still the same. The pandemic also made people realize that life isn’t about work, work, work. A lot of people aren’t really putting in the effort for big corporate America without getting compensated. But that another whole topic.

 

And in 1997, there was probably some dude that bought a brand new FJ40 in the 70's for $6k thinking what a freaking idiot you were for dropping $35k for that new modern junk. We keep reliving the same story over and over and pretend it's somehow a new phenomenon.

 

There's certainly some truth to this, but also more to the story. My business supplies metal parts and plastics (PTFE, UHMW, HDPE) parts that are engineered for different processing systems ranging from sulfuric acid production, semi conductor manufacturing, ore processing for gold, copper, lithium, etc. I set the specifications for material purity testing following ASTM and ASME procedures as well as working with plant engineers to meet specifications for purity and corrosion resistance so not to contaminate any processes. The last 18 months or so, it has become increasingly more difficult to source materials that previously met certain thresholds coming out of China or other country's including sourcing in the US. PTFE resins have become extremely difficult to price, and quality is all over the board because China is the primary source. Since the pandemic most of everything I supply and spec has been reformulated out of China or is no longer meeting thresholds we had previously agreed upon. I have my own theories on why this root cause would occur, but across the board in my line of work I am dealing with lower Q/A and formulations in all product groups and raw material sourcing.

 

The problem with that is that back then parts were made tougher and better. Now it’s all thin plastic and metal. The paints don’t even last as long anymore. I remember when the Honda accord had a padded dash. The door panels were also padded and very little plastic. Nowadays you look at the plastic the wrong way and it scratches itself. Back then you could also fix these things. Now you have to end up at the dealer and sometimes they don’t even know what wrong and the customer has to lemon law it. Not saying tech isn’t great, but to a point it becomes more a hassle than that it’s worth.

 

I actually think I’m an idiot for not keeping my 97

 

I think what you are dealing with is trickling down to non important parts which in turn are crap.

 

Yes, but back then car manufacturers didn't produce the volumes they do today. In the 90's Toyota build half of what they do today. In the 80's it was a third. Consumers also expect advances in technology. They wanted things like ABS, airbags, other modern technology/convenience items (lights in the bed, camera systems, etc). Significantly higher cost in materials just to add these systems. Plus increased manhours needed to include all of these systems that they didn't do before. They cut costs in other areas like materials and automated manufacturing to offset some of the costs of these new systems. I imagine the price of a modern vehicle with the old school material/build quality would be way more than the masses would be willing to pay. Anyone is free to step into this space if they feel the demand is there, but I don't see anyone jumping to do that. Same thing happened to home appliances.

 

Nyet comrade.

Supercharging is adding boost the stupid way, as an afterthought.

Turbocharging is far superior. More efficient since the boost is generated from exhaust gas instead of engine power turning a belt, better after cooling of charge air, and superior torque curves with modern computer controlled waste gates.

Give me a 6.2L twin turbo.

 

I'd have to say the same. So far i've been quite pleased with my 3rd Gen Tundra. The one thing that I can certainly complain about, is that horrendous infotainment system. Toyota has always had some of the worst, and this is no exception, so it honestly wasn't any bit of a surprise. Other than that, it tows like a beast, and the ride quality is great. Everything i'd expect and a little more, from a half ton truck.