Capstone Beefs

Yeah well, apparently people nowadays just like taking with a, add some sandpaper and hold the vaseline. I have said it before, a 22-23 truck spec'd out like mine is $10-12k more. You have to be blind and retarded to buy a 22-23 thinking your getting $10-12k more than the previous gen. Not to mention the prices for the Pros or the Capstone. No 1/2 ton is worth $90-100k. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that people actually buy them.

 

I recently looked up what a 22 model is going for with similar options and its going for about $8k more now. I do agree there is no 1/2 ton in world and really 3/4 ton that should be in the $90-100k range honestly I wouldn't even pay 60k for a 1/2 ton but that's just me.

 

How can you here the rattling tailgate through the soundproof acoustic glass?

 

you should not quit until you have a new job obviously

 

In all seriousness, sounds like a great boss.

 

It's reasonable to be upset about the fact that this is the state of things. Heck, I'm pissed that I have to pay $18 for 5 dozen eggs, a year ago they were $7.

However, knowing what life is like in 2022, you should know that the quality of your $80k truck today will not reflect the quality of an $80k truck in 2019, before you even buy it. That's the bottom line. Being surprised about it after the purchase reflects more on the buyer than the manufacturer.

Since we keep voting the way we vote and buying $80k vehicles while only expressing mild dissatisfaction, this is the way of the future.

 

$100k is just seriously ridiculous for a truck. I'm very glad I bought my 20 TRD Pro when I did for $58k. It's still the truck of my dreams.

I feel sorry for the new and potential Tundra buyers here. The market is just off the hook crazy.

 

Why should they put more time and $ into having the assemblers do stuff well? They know the trucks are sold before the tires hit the ground at the destination. So, they can be cheap and slack on quality. Then, they also know the idiots who always have to own the newest vehicles will trade it in and the dealers will make bank again on the used truck.

 

Dealer Dealer and Dealer,, take it to the dealer and let them fix it. Your switch is what it is.

 

I get where your coming from but come on man your gonna tell me that the consumer should have the blame put on them because they were the ones who spent the money and expected a good product?

I guess for me i and probably like most were not used to seeing Toyota drop the ball as bad as they have lately. Toyota has always had their issues to so it shouldn't be as surprising but they have built a reputation of decent to good/great reliability

Lets not forget the old 3VZE! what a gem, I'm really showing my age now

 

Agreed. Every manufacturer seems to be dealing with the same issues due to the state of the global economy, and in that sense, yes Toyota is on the same footing as everyone else. But that doesn’t mean Toyota has just crapped the bed and dropped their entire manufacturing process/philosophy and commitment to long-term dependability.

In case anyone hasn’t noticed, they have had to scale back production on several lines globally lately. It’s not like they’re laughing all the way to the bank because your hood is crooked.

That said, I don’t think I’m going to buy another 2021+ vehicle of any kind for a very long time.

 

100%

 

People just had/have more disposable income than precovid. Just can’t wait to spend it all .

 

I just don't get how 3 grand in free government money suddenly buys this kind of freedom.

 

Then why did they want to come back? They were short sighted and didn't weigh the fact that that extra dollar or 2 they got came because their new company didn't turn the air conditioning on for them in the factory. Their benefits weren't as good. They had to work 5 days a week instead of 4. They thought they were hot shit because they could have their cake and eat it too. They could have asked and made a case for a raise, instead they said they were leaving, they thought they could strongarm and got called. I would have said good luck to you as well. Somebody who hands in a 2 week notice without a discussion has already made up their mind or thinks they can bluff a raise, either way its not the right way to open a dialog for more money. Nobody is overworked, they absolutely love the overtime and come in with a smile on their face because it actually is a great place to work.

 

Yes the rear window button is counter intuitive in a couple of ways. Why wouldn’t they put it on the drivers door armrest like every other window button. Then it would be intuitive like every other window button!

 

I ordered a capstone and it was taking forever , my dealer got a 1794 trd pkg in so I went ahead and purchased it . Two weeks later they had my capstone coming in . When it came in I looked at it in person. I was having a hard time accepting the $10k price difference between the 1794 and the capstone . my takes were only thing I wanted different east the motorized bedstep, I didn’t care for electric side steps looked cheap when down, the bed is the composite in capstone not sure I liked it any better than 1794, supposedly high quality leather anniline? In capstone didn’t feel any different to me than mine. Insulated glass may make a difference in quietness didn’t drive it ,but mine is very quite , didn’t care for 22 inch wheels as compared to trd tires and rims. Everything else seemed the same maybe missing something but it wasn’t important to me and definitely wasn’t worth $10k difference plus trade in difference.
I will keep my 1794 Trd hybrid until I change my mind

 

Aren’t all Capstone’s I max? The bed on all of them is composite.

 

Yes

 

My theory on this is that it is the same switch as the ones in the door for the other windows. Hence pushing it up (which would be down if it was in the door) makes the window go down and vice versa

 

Yes it is exactly the same switch but installed in an ‘upside down’ or inverted position as it is overhead on the roof. If it was installed on the door it would still work the exact same as the other windows but is no longer mounted upside down. Then it would be intuitive - push down to open, and lift up to roll up/close. When on the roof the switch is ‘pushed up’ to roll down and ‘pulled down’ to roll up.

 

Sometimes people think they are worth more than they are. It’s simple.

 

Then why did a bunch of people leave? If everybody is so happy, nobody would be quitting. If you are hemorrhaging multiple employees at a time, maybe take a step back and ask "why" instead of assuming that all of them are lazy and don't want to work. Sure, the grass didn't end up being greener on the other side for them, but that doesn't mean they still weren't trying to upgrade from a crappy lawn. Also, a 2 week notice is a courtesy. They could have left you high and dry. A 2 week notice gives the company time to backfill a position and get the replacement trained before the person leaves, or time to attempt to retain the employee. Your company chose neither, that's not on the employees at all. I also disagree that people can't have their cake and eat it too. Why not? Why can't a person enjoy their job and make a decent living? Or make enough money to have a couple kids, and also have time to spend with them? Isn't "having your cake and eating it too" the American Dream?

Multiple people from the same company at the same time? Sounds like the company thinks people are worth less than they are. Thats how late stage capitalism works, and they have you trained to think the corporations are right.

 

I'll chime in on this too. Was the manager able to replace the employees that left by paying newbies exactly what the departed employees made or did they have to offer a higher wage to bring people in? My guess is that the boss had to pay the newbies what the departed employees were asking for. He just didn't like the employees asking for more. This boss now has to train new people and will likely result in more mistakes for a period of time. Is this a good boss? Well, he stuck by his principles. But he may have created headaches for himself, the company, the remaining employees, and the quality of products that the customers receive. Sounds like he may be more focused on his ego than actually getting the job done well.

 

more like a couple of guys sitting around the lunch table trying to use power in numbers. Again if they were worth what they thought they were, they would have just been promoted within.

 

the boss didn’t hire any newbies. Just paid the loyal employees more. Obviously the people who left, there job was just most likely useless and redundant anyway.

 

They left at different times in the general covid period when alot of people everywere were leaving jobs. They didnt all walk out the same day. As stated, they didnt leave for 5 or 10 bucks more an hour, they left for a dollar or 2, which yes, is alot more when you make 20 bucks an hour than if you make 40 bucks an hour. But it is still within the normal range for the type of job they did. Also as stated, they wanted to come back because they didnt know how most companies operated, IE not turning on the air for the workers when its 100 degrees outside, having worse benefits and other quality of life things that were worse.

A 2 week notice is not some goodness of your heart thing, its pretty much a necessity if you care about your career at all. Especially when you dont have alot of jobs on your resume or if you were with the company you left for a long time. Just walking out effectively ruins any possibility of a good reference. Yeah if you are a brain surgeon, nobody will care because you are highly skilled and in demand, but for a low skill assembly person, it will cost you a new job. What do you think your future employers would do if they called the place you worked for 10 years and they say they would not hire you again because you just walked out of a position?

Having your cake and eating it too is entirely possible and is the american dream, but i beleive that is for people who try and better themselves or their career, not people who think they are "hot shit" and just expect more money without offering anything in return like, improving their skills, getting training, trying to move up and improve in some capacity. These people all thought they were entitled to something for nothing, I think that fact where the contention of this conversation is coming from that I could have possibly illustrated better.

 

This is accurate for the most part, while its nice to have extra bodies when people are sick or on vacation or leave suddenly, for the most part, we increased automation and shifted a few things around, and with some process improvements, we were able to minimize the impact and ultimately improve the process. Could and should we have done that anyway before this? Probably, but like alot of things, people get comfortable and do things when they are forced to.

 

I guess this thread has slightly been derailed, my apologies to the OP for leading it on a tangent.

 

The goalpost keeps shifting every time I make a point, so I'll bow out. Either way, the "nobody wants to work" narrative is a bad take, especially with the unemployment rate as low as it is.