2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

‘22 models of each truck are not disconnected from previous years or the companies’ respective decades-long track records, as you like to pretend.

You, when any relevant history is brought up in this thread:

 

It is disconnected when it's a brand new from the ground up truck. The only thing the 22 shares with the 21 is the badge.

 

It’s also made by the same automaker with the same unique manufacturing process and commitment to kaizen. Its engine has been used in Lexus platforms, the MTS/crawl tech has been used for years in Tacomas. If you break down every system in the new Tundra—down to door lock actuators—it is really not as “new” as you think. Most of it is a direct lift from previously used parts and systems or very slight tweaks to fit the new platform. Frame and body panels and maybe the infotainment software are brand new, but most of it has been used by Toyota for years in other platforms with stellar dependability results.

 

Same could be said about the Tacoma though. When I was looking to by a Tacoma in late 2015 I waited to test drive the new 2016. After the test drive I couldn't write the check for the 2015 fast enough. Turns out I don't like a minivan motor in my pick up truck. Who'd a thunk it?

 

What does not liking the characteristics of the drivetrain have to do with reliability?

 

I just got back from a 850 mile round trip in my '22. There were a few minor, and I really do mean minor, things I noted which I wasn't thrilled with. Overall though, after spending two 7 hour stretches behind the wheel I gotta say I'm seriously impressed. The best road trip truck I've owned to date was my 2011 Sierra in which I could have easily done a 10 hour trip without fatige. I owned a 2013 F150 and after 2 or 3 hours on the road I needed a break. My '05 Tundra was good for about 6 or 7 hours, 8 if I pushed it. I could have done a 12 hour stretch or longer if needed in this '22.

I'll do a more in depth write up in my build thread this evening.

 

I've held on to mine since I can't find a place to trade it in that it would make any sense. The Tundra is growing on me, once you get past the quirks and understand the Toyota system it is a solid truck. My biggest complaint now on long trips is the wind noise. It is just quite a bit louder than most full size trucks I've been in, not talking tire noise, just wind noise right by the B pillars. Anyone else notice that compared to another vehicle?

 

Just purchased my first Tundra and Toyota in the same breath last week and here I am. Didn't even test drive the Tundra, I knew I wanted one the day they released the official photos... I've driven plenty of F-150s-250s for work and was never impressed. Contemplated buying a Ram Rebel for about 1.5 years... thank christ that didn't happen. I wouldn't touch GM/Chevy due to simply hating the brand and quality from way back. Even with the first wave of "issues" in the Tundra, Toyota has remedied most of the gremlins from the initial production. My build was Aug of this year and I'm anticipating the known issues to be resolved.

Ford will never hold value as well as a Toyota. MSRP for the 23 Tundras is likely to be anywhere from 2k-6k higher than current pricing across the board. 22's will hold value for years to come.

 

MY23 is an average $1k price difference

 

Yeah but Fords, Rams, and GM still suck though, right?

 

Only issue I has was with my ice 21 transmission and material wear.

wish trucks, my Toyota included were as smooth as the lightning.

 

Did you see Hoovie's video about towing with the Lightning?

I don't need "smooth" that badly.....

 

It would be great for running to Wholefoods or OrangeTheory.

So, weirdly, Ive only seen one or two Lightnings, but there are 4 Rivians running around my area and I see at least one pretty much every day.

 

I'm seeing a surprising number of Rivian trucks here too, and it's not even an affluent area....

 

People that use trucks for truck stuff were not considered during Lightning development and nobody will convince me otherwise. Most of these EV's need 400+ normal/250+ towing range to be viable and until then, they are going to be the domain of hipsters and lumbersexuals.

IMO of course.

 

They were considered but the technology and cost isn’t there to deliver the numbers you’re talking about.

the f150 is identical to the current Gen and it’s the most popular work truck. It has a generator, plugs in the front, lockable underseat rear storage, engineered to retain the flat floor.

 

Back to being a neutral party

 

^^^^^^

@DrZoidberg

Damn - I hope my stock picks work out this good.
Congratulations

 

That's last years model.....

 

I’m first in line for the 23 crv sport touring .

Got this for 39.4 and they gave me 81.5 for the TRD pro. Paid 69k + shipping

 

Does your dad know that you have been in the basement playing on his computer ??? lol

IF THIS IS TRUE, you sold the Pro way too cheap. My dealer has a "used" 22 Pro for $115,000 and several more "used"with 30-200 miles (like5) use for $99,991

 

I’m done until my raptor is built. Interest rates are curbing the market for sure.

I also got a new job that was a 30% base comp bump and I’m pinching Pennie’s to buy into the market a lot more

 

After all the cool shit you bought you ended with a crv…

 

I got a call on an AT4X on the lot for 3k off msrp but it ain’t that great.

honestly there’s nothing out there I want. I was talking a deal on a 23 Camry xse v6 with red interior but came out to 43k. Got the CRV for 39 and it gets better mpg and has better cargo utility. And it’s not 900 miles away.

 

Wife had a '19 Camry XSE V6 in Super Sonic Red. Beautiful color and those things are pretty quick for a V6 (301 HP). Needed all wheel drive so she bought a 2021 Highlander AWD V6. Wishing now we would have got the Hybrid since fuel prices went crazy since then. Not too familiar with the CRV but sure seems like a ladies ride to me, but am sure it will be a great rig

 

It’s the bow

Oh it for sure is but will do until either the 23 crv or raptor gets here.

The 23 does look better

 

The market tends to be made up of Trader types - Buy Sell, Buy Sell, Buy Sell ....
and Investors - Buy and hold.

I am definitely more of an investor now. Kind of like my '18 Tundra that I bought new with a 10 year ownership outlook. Just not seeing that long term value in these new Pandemic era trucks yet.

Dr. Z you seem to be more of a Trader ?

There is a new series on Netflix called "Eat the Rich" which exposes the meme stop saga with Game Stop. For those not aware everyday people Traders took some big Hedge Funds to the cleaners.

 

My stock purchasing comes out from ‘fun money’ which is the money I have left from work, money made from flipping, and mostly money made from sports betting.

I had a sweet spot job that allowed me to max out 401k, 457b, 403b + pension for a while. So all that is diversified and age appropriate risk categories.

I remember the GameStop, bed bath and beyond and AMC era. I watched the head dude make his 40 + million.it was awesome to see folks do it. Some had some big balls taking their life savings or cashing their 401k to do it.

I didn’t get in on that it just wasn’t my risk profile. But I did cash in during the pandemic doing several put options on the travel industry when Covid first hit and then buying up this big names when they were low .

My brother keeps trying to get me to invest more into silver, gold, and other tangible precious metals. So I remember when I went and bought my first gold and silver bar. Boy how disappointed was I that a few thousand doesn’t get you a movie sized bar.

I also used to flip other stuff like Rolex watches, nike shoes, and Xbox and PS5. But they required more grind than my lazy ass had the time for.

 

Gold has been a big disappointment, relatively flat largely due to investment monies that went to "analysts say" - to Crypto - and look what happened to anyone that invested in Crypto

I have some invested in Gold producing companies that pay dividends. This is easier than buying actual Gold and paying someone to store it. Easy to buy and sell Gold Producing companies stock, get out of if needed.
The Car Truck business is in a disconnect, and the stock market is no different right now. They (Experts) say when the companies that are making a ton of profit, have no debt so interest rates don't matter, and are giving the profits back to shareholders .... when their stock prices are dropping with everyone else, we have come full circle and there is a turnaround coming.
But no one has been through this before, where they printed free money to keep the world from crashing during the Pandemic, and now are trying to rein it all in without causing massive withdrawal symptoms.

 

I can agree with the disconnect. Gonej are the days where earnings statements mean anything. I can count numerous times where I had some tech calls and had great earnings and they drop. Meanwhile Tesla, Rivian and GameStop can miss earnings and skyrocket