2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Yours was only 10 years old? Mine was 20 years old… 1981 Mercury Lynx in 2001

 

My friend just purchased a used 2021 F150 Lariat for 73,000$ plus tax here in Ottawa. New F150 Lariat is now close to 100,000$ CAD.. Apparently F150 price went up many times this year.

I cannot believe it! Ford 150 was always an "employee discount" truck that you could get for under 50,000$ at the end of the year... Today, the cheapest XLT is around 75,000$ plus tax.. Lariat is close to a 100K

I wonder if Toyota will also increase Tundra 2023 price?

 

Model year 23 is about $1050 increase in price

 

Did not see 2023 price announcement.. We will see. No one knows for sure.

So far all other manufacturers had massive price increases.. With 10% official inflation and 20% unofficial.. Highly likely it will go up even more...

 

It’s literally posted on their website

 

They can raise prices all they want.
What will be interesting to see is what happens in the next 3-6 months as rates keep going up - US Fed next week - and the economy slows further.
Did you see what happened to Fedex stock on Friday? That's a really good barometer of the economy. IMO.

What actual percentage of people buy new trucks with cash ?
I would think most Finance especially with the former Pandemic era interest rates before the rate hikes started.
Pre-qualified low rates have been supporting the vehicle business same as housing with mortgages.
Those qualified rates before the rate increases started, have now expired or will be expiring soon.
This means buyers qualifying today are at today's rates. Whether you are buying a $70k truck or a house.

I predict Vehicles especially expensive trucks will mirror Housing.
Affordability will or has already become so bad or ridiculous, that the demand drops, supply will get better, and...
we will see trucks on lots again - not just RAM - and this will be followed by discounts again.
Late winter Spring 2023

 

I’ve heard the car market correction has been coming for over a year. 2.9-3.9 isn’t that expensive to finance

 

JMO
Focusing on one aspect, a published car rate is "micro" thinking
We need to look at this at a "macro" view.
I gave the Fedex example.
Another example.
It starts getting expensive when your mortgage has triggered. Like many mortgages have or will have soon.
If Robert Smith needs to get rid of his new F150 or Tundra and be forced to buy and drive an older Chevy pickup to keep his house....
Good God Imagine having to do that ..... well he will do it.
Why ?
Because people care more about their house and keeping it than their vehicle.

Besides ...the rates you quote are within the range of what the actual US fed rate will be at next week.
If a dealer is advertising low rates, there is a beefed up price in the vehicle.
Nothing is for free.
At least we know we are at MSRP in Canada.
But hell - Canada Australia and New Zealand are the worlds biggest housing bubbles bursting as we speak.

 

My apologies, can you post a link?

 

Very rare thing in Ontario. Average house price is around a million. Ppl buy houses with 30 year mortgages averaging 4,000$ monthly.. Add property tax, utilities, and you are over 5,000$ monthly before adding all major expenses (food, internet, clothing, etc.) Not that many ppl have 80,000$ on a checking account...

 

https://toyota-cms-media.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/2022-2023-Toyota-Pricing.pdf

 

The SR thread on here has got me considering one.
Low $40's for a 4x4.
My Titan was $42k in 2007, but actually the SR is nicer in some ways, like LED headlights, Android Auto 8" screen, self driving, pfft.... it's actually almost perfect, as a TRUCK.

 

Pics of Ford trucks in one of the storage areas waiting to be released onto the market. Makes me wonder how many will develop post pandemic storage disease. Symptoms include premature rust, electric issues, shortened battery life, ...

I myself would not be happy if I was told my Ford truck wait time was based on the truck still being built, when it was actually built, and sitting in one of these storage locations waiting for say 6 chips that cost pennies to make in China, to arrive. Just saying.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/unfin...-piling-up-in-massive-lots-visible-from-space

 

After many frustrations with getting a Tundra I just found the exact truck I want (crewmax 6.5 bed, white, tow mirrors, limited) only in an F150..... It has 30k miles and I can pick it up tomorrow, also 10K cheaper than the Tundra.

Getting close to pulling the trigger on this, and sitting out of this Tundra nonsense for 2 or 3 years

 

thats what I was going to do with that powerboost I tested, bet that since I could get one then if it wasnt good get a tundra is a few years.

then the test drive didnt go so well, so I decided I'll likely try again with the 2023 tundra.

 

Grab it. I got caught late last year between the two generations. My F150 V8 (yes remember those?) has been flawless and over 18k miles now. Many of those miles achieved on 1k miles days.....

 

Well, the F150 should be fine for another, I don't know, say 18K

 

It's funny you say that. I live at 6500' of elevation, so turbos have a significant advantage here. I was at the Ford dealer the other day for a recall and one of the sales people trotted out while I was looking at the new trucks and excitedly pointed to one, and said "That's one of them rare V8 trucks!"

Honestly, if I bought a new F150 now, I would seriously consider a 5.0 with the heavy duty payload package and the Ford Performance Whipple supercharger. At my elevation it would still be making 560 hp.

 

Not a Ford/Toyota thing, but I towed for the first time with my truck, bought a Grady White this week. I have towed a bunch with various NA engines, but was blown away (no pun intended) but the performance of the supercharged engine. I'm sure the Tundra is similar.

 

You can’t go wrong with the reliability And the resale value of the Toyotas. In my opinion, they hold true to their value and if serviced, they will last a lifetime

 

Any day on the water is a good day but the weather doesnt look like it cooperated for you. Anyway, I can imagine its a vast improvement. Ill be towing our Edgewater CC this weekend for the first time and I'll report back on the differences from the 5.7 Tundra

 

It was a very brief shower, turned beautiful quickly. Edgewater is a great boat. Yeah would love to hear your comparison report.

 

Sounds good. GW is a good boat too, just watch those wood transoms. EW has bad tanks, they all got flaws. Its like this thread could go to TheHullTruth

 

Towed our little Edgewater for first time with new truck. Did fine, less engine rpm’s needed than with the 5.7. Damn brake sensor locked up twice while backing up, what a pain in the a**

 

What length is that Edgewater?

 

20.5 officially. Its a good boat, rides like a bigger boat with the deeper V. I've had it in 5-6 footers in the Chesapeake, wasn't fun but I wasn't worried either

 

Well, I couldn't do it. Was supposed to go down and pick up the F150 this morning, but spent the weekend on the F150 forums reading about snapping axle bolts, and shuddering transmissions, and brand new trucks spending a month or more at the dealership with 14 recalls.

Then I come over here and one person is complaining about wind noise.

Sorry Ford, I tried to switch teams but I just couldn't do it. I like your truck better in every way except resale and reliability. The tech is light years ahead of Toyota, it looks better, the interior is more comfortable, and you can step on the bumper with the tailgate down to get into the bed. But at the end of day they just aren't put together as well, and that's what counts.

 

When you have 10X the product on the market, if reliability is the same, you will have 10X the problems. And people with problem, no matter the brand, tend to want to complain about it (rightly so). Just saying, weigh those bad reviews against the 950,000 satisfied F-150 new owners annually.

 

Pretty funny post from Mr. “Don’t Forget The Balls”…

I agree with you that people with problems are generally louder about it online. Ford may have almost 10x the product, but they also have about 30x the problems. The issues occur at a higher rate when you control for the number of trucks produced. There are a few guys on here who are satisfied with their Fords. Great. Happy for y’all. But the idea that Ford only has more issues because they make more trucks is demonstrably false.

Speaking of issues, seems that it has been pretty quiet on the ‘22 Tundra front lately.

 

You can't keep presenting information for the 2021 and older Tundras and expect to be taken seriously. As I seem to remind you weekly, please reference thread title.