2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Yeah, you should be fine. Sounds like in the mud has a short commute in the city.

 

So you've had both the 22 F-150 and 22 Tundra? What are your likes and dislikes for each truck? How do they compare?

 

For reference, I owned a '22 Platinum Powerboost F-150, and still own a '21 F-150 Raptor with the 37" PP.

The F-150 is a far more refined truck, there are many complaints on this forum of the transmission problems plaguing the F-150 with the 10R80, yet after owning now 5 F-150's (a me problem, not a Ford problem) in the last 4 years all with 10R80 transmission I have yet to have a single problem. The power delivery is very smooth and consistent. The interior is absolutely top notch, the infotainment system is smooth to operate, but I disliked the split screen display when in Apple Carplay. Having the 7.2kW onboard generator was excellent for running auxiliary air compressors, welders, etc. The hybrid system is night and day ahead of the Toyota. I was able to do entire 5-10 mile trips on electric only with the Powerboost. With the I-force Max, it seems to run in parallel to the engine itself to boost power rather than defer to increasing fuel economy. Ultimately, there was nothing wrong with the F-150 and I regret getting rid of it at this point.

The Tundra Capstone is a big step forward for Toyota in terms of having a $76,000 flagship truck competing against other trucks similarly priced finally. But it falls short. The leather is very nice in the capstone, but there's hardly any (if any) other features that separate it from the Platinum or 1794, yet the price tag is quite a bit higher. Not being able to get the TRD offroad package is a big miss for the locking diff/bash plates. The Tundra feels much more like a truck than the F-150 which is a bonus for Toyota. I much prefer the styling of the Tundra as well. The interior besides the leather and center screen is very underwhelming. Lots of plastic and cheap wood finish that doesn't feel refined at all. Tons of squeaks and rattles from the Toyota, while the Ford was silent. The Tundra transmission is smoother than the Ford no doubt, but the power delivery is underwhelming, it doesn't put you back in your seat like the Powerboost or Raptor. I really enjoy the HUD on the Tundra, it was big in pushing me to get the truck. Another shortfall for Toyota is their app v Fordpass. Fordpass is extremely easy to use and problem free, while having to pay a subscription after a period of time for the Toyota app is laughable after paying $76K for features in a truck. Remote start sucks, the bed lighting sucks, and the drivers control center/information display sucks too.

Overall, if I had not experienced so many other luxury trucks and cars the Tundra may feel like it's a great entry into the luxury truck market. But having owned so many high end vehicles, it leaves a lot to be desired compared to it competitors. The "reliability" is TBD, since this a complete revamp. Toyota has a great reputation for reliaibility, but that has to be earned with every model, not lived off forever. I plan on getting rid of the Tundra this weekend, but have no idea what will replace it.

 

Not an F-150 or you're just not sure which F-150?

 

Its not that it will go into regen, its that the regen needs to have enough heat and time to fully complete.

 

I havent had a problem with the 10 speed in any I have driven and, after spending far too much time on the F150 forums, there are way more people B&Cing about Ford transmission problems here than there . I dont think they are perfect but I also think that is true of most transmission tuning. They can't make everyone happy.

My Lexus trans tuning completely sucks though. It slips, and bangs into gear some times, and the shift schedule and torque converter unlocking schedule is terrible.

Its funny, you read to comments here and wonder how Ford owners get to work everyday and yet they keep selling 500,000+ F150's a year along with GM and Ram.

 

It really is funny. Here on the Tundra forums the F-150 is the most problematic vehicle every. And on the Ford forums the Tundra is the worst truck ever made.

I don't care which is better, as a consumer I just want to be objective about which is best for me.

 

Not an F-150, still have the Raptor and a '22 Lariat ultimate powerboost for an employee I borrow. Scared of GM and RAM electronics, but may give them a go.

 

As a member of both, I can confirm this is much more accurate.

 

How many trucks do you need?

I've always thought based on my research that Ford's electronics were slightly worse than GM's.

 

Raptor is weekend hunting/fishing remote work site truck. Tundra is corporate calls and long drives on the highway with street tires. Only take the other work trucks off the lot when I'm bored. Really just need two trucks, next one needs to be fuel efficient highway cruiser that can at least handle 30 mile stretches of washboard roads if needed.

Ford's may be worse, I've just never had a good experience with a GM, and lots of positive with Ford. I know it takes owning one lemon for someone's perception of a brand to be ruined for life

 

Not going to lie. I'm very tempted to email granger and get a black appearance package platinum powerboost ordered in avalanche. Call me a glutton for punishment on potential relability issues but damn I saw that package yesterday in person on oxford white and I was moist. The oxford tremor is nice af too.

 

In my experience, this is more of a self-own than anything. My friends and family keep going back to Ford because they expect to have a regular relationship with their dealer’s service center. They expect the issues. “All truck have problems,” they say. When you expect it, it’s not a problem. See how that works? “Of course it’s reliable; I got 100k miles out of it.” They go back to the dealer all the time. “All trucks are like this, lol. But I stick with Ford because they sell so many trucks. Gotta be doing something right to sell so many trucks, derrrrrrrp.”

Don’t judge something by how many units have been sold. Judge it by what they’re worth when the warranty is up.

We’re at a point in history when people trade in their vehicles just like they do with their phones. More power to them, I guess. But they’ve been carefully conditioned into this by manufacturers. The whole thing has grown wildly out of proportion in my opinion. People taking out 84-month loans for transportation. And they’ll replace the tires, wheels, and suspension, add tint, ceramic, and a bed cover—investing 10-15% of the truck’s purchase price when the bank owns it—to get the right “look” while making minimum payments. Hilarious. And it seems like Toyota is playing the same game now. Look at all these sweet, enticing features! Trade in your truck. We can make your monthly payment stay the same (we’re tacking 7 years worth of payments onto your life, but who’s counting lol). Or if you write a check, we’re reducing your disposable (read: investable) income by $70k on the spot. What’s $70k compounded over 25 years? Lol.

People in this thread are actually personally offended that a new truck has something in it that isn’t brand new. It’s like they’re shopping for newness and to be among the first seen riding around in a new truck rather than shopping for the truck itself.

I had a 4Runner with a 5speed that started doing the rumble strip thing going into 5th gear. A full, proper flush by a competent shop (NOT THE DEALER) solves it. I have a buddy with 240k on an FJ cruiser who has had the same torque converter chatter for the last 80k miles. Keep telling him to go get it flushed, but he doesn’t want to touch it.

 

It's really true. Rarely, if ever is a tundra brought up unless I bring it up.

Also on the Tundra forum "We have 4.30 gears so its fine to pull 11000000 lbs! But never actually looked at the transmission ratios to see that our overall reduction is worse than an F150 with 3.55's!"

 

I think with the demise of heavily field tested V8s and the last generation of transmissions that accompanied them the days of specific half ton powertrain combos having reputations for going 200k on only oil changes are over. I will watch reliability data in the next few years to see if I am proven wrong. I may well buy the truck that proves me wrong next. Otherwise a minimum of about 5 years payment free per truck and 10 years ownership before collecting my chips off the table and moving on seems reasonable going forward.

 

V8 wins.

 

Except now the average car on the road is the oldest its ever been. And

Also, what resale values are you looking at. Year for year, trim for trim, miles for miles, a Tundra and F150 look pretty damn close.

 

It’s old. At least until this year it was. People have been conditioned to trade in frequently and buy based on appearance or neat features, not long term dependability and value retention. It’s like going to the iPhone 14 forums and saying, “you should buy the Nokia N95 (pretend that they still make them, but with an updated camera and texting abilities and very high value retention); it has been indestructible for years!” No one cares. They can finance the iPhone 14 or just buy it outright. They want the new shiny thing. Look at all the neat things it can do! People do not only want the new tech; they feel they are owed it when they drop the money.

The tech advances (which are planned and carefully controlled) rapidly outpace the ability of the phone to even use the network and apps. Long-term dependability be damned…Apple makes a new iPhone every year…why do I care about long-term ownership?

This same mentality has shifted to $45-80k (and even higher) trucks.

PS: I had to look up what iPhone we’re on…I thought it was 13, but nope already on 14 lol…

Good points. No one is keeping trucks for 5 years any more, let alone 10. Half tons are also becoming a payload issue for me. People want their half-ton to do everything and have every feature. Unless you’re getting a max trailering package from GM or a HDPP from Ford, you’re gonna be sitting at 1700lb or less in a crew cab 4x4.

A lot remains to be seen, but my next truck will most likely be a domestic gasser 3/4 ton. The Sierra 2500 can actually pull 15k lb because it won’t run out of payload due to the tongue weight (they’re rated at 3k+ lb in a crew cab 6.75’ bed configuration).

 

10 years is a long time though. I feel like in 10 years my needs and wants out of my vehicle could be very different today. And 10 years ago I was driving a 2 door, rwd, manual transmission Pontiac GTO which is slightly different than the F150, Lexus and 4Runner I own now.

 

People driving old cars are not even part of the picture here.

And before the pandemic and supply chain shortages, a Tundra and F150 did not retain similar resale values after the warranty period.

 

for me it was 95 Ranger bought in 99 to 04 Dakota Quad cab to 09 Tundra to 2021 f150 with a 2016 Challenger wandering into and out of my fleet somewhere in there. As my finances improved over the years I find myself in a better position with each new purchase to buy something as my main family hauler and utility vehicle that will Keep me happier for longer.


I’d have kept my Challenger for 10-plus years instead of selling at 5. But I wanted to go back to registering and maintaining one vehicle for awhile and needed a new deck more than I needed a stickshift muscle car my wife can’t drive and I only got to drive a few miles per week.

 

Its old, its MPG suck, its not interesting, it being outperformed real world by even the 5.3L GM V8 etc etc etc. If I have to drop 50k on a truck I want the most bang for my buck.

And, like I just said in my last post, 10 years is a long time. I feel like in 10 years my needs and wants out of my vehicle could be very different than today. And 10 years ago I was driving a 2 door, rwd, manual transmission Pontiac GTO which is slightly different than the F150, Lexus and 4Runner I own now. So I think its pretty reasonable to move between vehicles sometime in a 10 year span unless you are at the point in your life were things are not changing. I am 34. I bought my Lexus GX in early 2020 before my daughter was born. While my GX works, it clearly has its deficiencies already.

 

You seem, bitter or something. Like maybe life didn't go your way so you kind of shit on anyone who is doing better than you. I can't really put my finger on it, but something's going on. Maybe I'm inaccuratly reading between the lines though.

I do agree most people shouldn't be buying $70k trucks. In fact most people here probably shouldn't be buying $40k trucks, but what other's do with their money doesn't affect me one bit. So maybe don't lose sleep over it.

 

But not every truck is 100k.

An XL/Tradesman/SR/WT trim in any of the brands are still very cheap and are loaded up with tech, power, efficiency and comfort that would blow a fully loaded truck from 15 years ago out of the water.

The XL trim F150's are now coming with standard features that I had to move up to my 2014 Lariat to get. Honestly, with the exception of the dismal headlights, I could jump in an XL right now and be totally content.

 

Trucks are not 100k, but maybe trucks equipped the way some prefer approach 6 digits. My XLT Powerboost was 60 And change but versions of the CRew F150
Can be had in the mid or high 40s. People are mad 80k trucks they want cost 80k but
they are outfitted with equipment that makes them want them even at 80k because manufacturers put more
Features in for those of us who
will pay.

Nothing stops anybody from
Getting the SR with detuned V6 and cloth and ugly wheels.

 

Correct, the vast majority of trucks are not $100K or even approaching it. As usual people pick the low hanging fruit to try and drum up some unfounded discord.

 

Exactly. McDonald's sells more burgers than my grandmother but it doesn't mean theirs are better than hers.

My father in law is a Toyota fan. He's planning to keep his 2004 Corolla for at least a million miles. But he drives an F150 partially because his dad does (one from the mid 90s) and partially because a new 2011 F150 could be had for $30k CAD, while Toyota probably wanted $40k for a Tundra.

 

Yeah but McDonalds is worth $150B and Granny lives off Social Security.

 

Suck is relative. 14 vs 17 combined isn’t life changing. And according to Edmunds just last year, it’s still the cheapest to own over 5 years comparably equipped due to the resale value and lack of repairs. So, it’s not so black and white that it’s a poor decision. Most bang for my buck is never having to deal with any issues, but y’all know that about me already.

Agreed regarding 10 years. Who knows? In my opinion, trustworthy vehicles will always be in demand.

Lol. What? Who have I shit on? Who is doing better than me? Losing sleep? Seriously? Just because I hate what the market has turned into and how vehicles are turning into smartphones on wheels that monitor our every move and sell data profiles to marketers?

Fully agreed regarding expensive vehicles. Most people shouldn’t be driving anything that requires 60 months to finance, let alone 84. Especially with the direction rates are going. There is a reckoning coming, especially regarding the expensive vehicles (recreational and otherwise) that people bought in the last couple of years. The direction repossessions are heading is not good.

 

It just occurred to me the other day that the car I parked in January 2020 when I got my truck and that I recently just got running again is now over 10 years old. So what? It has everything I need in a commuter car and some things you probably can't get in newer cars.