2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Since when is having more floor space available in the back seat not "truck stuff"? Is that just what Tundra old timers say because they've never had anything other than a massive hump under the rear seats? These arguments are just laughable, and as usual come from people that don't even own a 2022, but had a "2013 F-150 with ALL the problems". F-150 is the best selling truck on the planet for a reason. My 22 Tundra has grown on me, but for goodness sake, there's a lot of flaws. More than my 22 F-150 had or my Raptor. It's like blindly defending Toyota is some people's purpose for existing. Neither truck is perfect

 

I’d like to see how the surveys were phrased as I have trouble believing people willingly gave up interior utility features available in other trucks when asked in a clear way.

Was it “list your highest priority features in order of importance?” (So we can quietly figure out where we are can short change you to pinch pennies)

Or “Yes or no, do you want less rear legroom than the previous generation and a transmission hump and no under seat storage in the hybrid?”

 

The survey was an internal memo to the engineering and cost team.

 

beautiful truck man! Wish they had more towing / payload! Hope the next LZ0 has more to offer in that area

 

A GMC or Silverado was on my list. But my Powerboost suddenly popped up on a lot with 99% of what I wanted and no chip related feature IOUs attached to it. And then finding the top Propower on Board system on it hooked me fully before GM managed to get the new interiors out. I was drooling profusely over the GM 6.2 for a very, very long time and it took an adjustment to come around to the idea of more power, faster acceleration and better mileage but giving up V8 sound. I still feel some kind of way when I hear a 6.2 start up around me even if I can edge a 6.2 powered truck out all the way through the 1/4 mile and get 20 mpg all day in normal driving. It’s completely irrational.

 

I hate the rear hump under my backseat. I wish I had that little storage box that the Fords have that peeks out from under a folded up rear seat. But when my seats are up, and I'm hauling gear (everything from guitars, amps, rifles, ammo cans, hunting bows, gallons of paint and sealer, a complete 2nd gen Tundra front bumper, tools and supplies for projects, etc), the shape of the floor doesn't matter. At all. The idea that I would switch to a less reliable truck for more features like that is completely laughable to me.

I'd far rather drive something that I trust to last however long I want to keep it. I don't swap vehicles the way people upgrade to the next iPhone. And I'm just completely surrounded by Fords with stupid problems and frustrated friends and family members to ever care to drive one. At least an F150. If my needs change and I run out of payload, I'll look very hard at the gasser F250, assuming I can't get my grandpa's 2000 F350 from him. But even the new Ford HDs aren't immune to drivetrain issues that the dealer just sort of shrugs at, as @Backslider has experienced.

Clunky I-swear-something-just-broke-in-half-under-the-truck shifting, cam phaser issues (even after being "repaired" at the dealer), electronic glitches, dash going black in the middle of driving, doors flying open on the highway, exhaust leak from broken bolts due to turbos being mounted to the exhaust manifolds, rust under a brand new truck, etc etc etc. These are the experiences I hear about from friends and family on a fairly regular basis. Call it all anecdotal all you want, but these align perfectly with the one massive long term drivetrain reliability study in existence. There's a reason your average Ford is worth less than your average Toyota after the warranties on both vehicles are up. I don't "blindly" shit on Ford or praise Toyota. I'm going by aggregated data and close friends' and family members' experiences. I also think the track records of both companies are very much worth considering, even when cross-shopping brand new trucks.

This is a truly amazing thing to say about a ~$80k truck.

 

What data has been aggregated on the 2022 Tundra reliability? That is the name of this thread. Same with 2022 F-150. Cam Phasers haven't been an issue since August of 2019 when engineering addressed and resolved the issue for all new models. As well as a TSB for vehicles produced prior to that date. I have zero interest in what a 2007 Tundra did vs a 2013 F-150. The question at hand is 22 v 22. Toyota has made drastic changes to the power plant, transmission, technology with a total revamp. There will be many problems, just like when Ford introduced the Eco-boost originally. I only have anecdotal evidence as well, my '21 Ford Raptor is flawless, as was my '22 F-150 Platinum Powerboost. My '22 Tundra has been flawless as well besides needed the center stack screen replaced, but I expect more problems as miles accumulate just as I would with a first gen of any new vehicle.

 

I don't only have anecdotal evidence. I said my anecdotal evidence matches the massive aggregate study that shows definitive long-term trends for both automakers. I will concede that I don't know anyone with a 2020+ EB with cam phaser issues. But my buddy with a 2019 Expy just had his "fixed" a few months ago, and they still make the same damn noise that Ford first said "yep that needs fixed" but now after their repair says "oh that's normal" .

Almost none of the systems in the 22 Tundra are brand new, including MTS/crawl control and the non-hybrid version of the TTv6. The frame and platform and overall design are new, sure. Seems that the GUI for the screen is new as well. But Toyota uses parts and systems from pre-existing vehicles (mostly parts and systems that have been in Lexus vehicles for ~5 years). They have done this for decades. It has worked out better for them for decades. Surely, this must be considered. But instead I read things in this thread like "I have crossed the '22 Tundra off my list because the rear floor isn't flat." Lololol

I'm not claiming my truck is perfect. I'm not claiming the '22 is perfect. But some of y'all in this thread are acting like Toyota's entire method of manufacturing that has led to their excelling in dependability is just completely wiped off the table because we've got a new generation of Tundra that has had some release issues exacerbated by some supply chain issues. To me, that's irrational.

 

I would love the ability to store stuff under my rear seats and put the seats down like my brother has in his 2019 Sierra. However, like you say, it's not important enough to switch to another truck for.

 

Hopefully I came across like this. The underseat storage is a great feature it's just not a dealbreaker feature for me. Especially when I have booster seats I have to remove to get to it. I didn't use it in my F150 for that purpose. BUT the F150 did have more aux storage than the tundra does, which is great. I love the 2nd glove box. The fact Toyota couldnt' do that is annoying.

 

And I'm not here to blindly "shit on" Toyota either, I wouldn't have just spent $76K + TT for a '22 Capstone if I didn't believe in them. We don't need to go into the nuance of reliability and it's relationship with not developing any major changes to the platform for 12+ years because I don't care about that either. I will say, as someone who utilizes the flat rear seat storage a ton, it may not be a big deal if you've never had it. But after owning several Fords with it, it has been more of a nuisance that I care to admit losing that. I carry work equipment that is large in cases, a doberman/belgian ride together in back seat, hunting/fishing gear. All stored problem free until now, and now I have have to adapt which I will. It's just born out of necessity rather than by choice. So a very small problem albeit, but a luxury I miss nonetheless. As I've stated I hope the '22 Tundra platform lives up to it's reputation, and I am somewhat betting on it should I keep the truck. But I wouldn't have spent the money if I didn't have a fundamental belief in the brand to begin with. And my original comment was in no way directed at you, there have been other posters who lack any and all objectivity. So I appreciate your feedback and discussion.

 

It's no wonder why Toyota is the 2nd most valuable car company (Tesla is #1) in the world. Toyota's value is over 4 times that of #10 FMC. Toyota is #11 on the car manufacturer with the most recalls and Ford is #7. Toyota simply does a better job overall and am confident that once the 22 Tundra gets thru these teething issues it will be once again the #1 most reliable full size truck. (fingers crossed lol)

 

you can get the NHT max tow package now that bumps capacity from 9200 to just over 13,000. I think they use stiffer springs/shocks and gear ratio changes from 3.23 to 3.5 something. This engine is 470lb ft torque at 1500 rpm and 270ish hp at like 3500 rpm. The new model diesel for 2023 will bump that up a little. Current engine has plenty of power for me.

 

Shut the front door! Gm dealer never offered that information up when I was specing out a truck..

30mpg and heavy towing capacity!?!?

 

@Bannerman im up here getting talked into a raptor and they’re evaluating my pro and they have a tremor high. Okay I get it. These seats are the tits. And the factor wheels and appearance is pretty awesome

 

The 3.0 Duramax is really an awesome engine. That and since diesel is the same price as mid grade gas here, the economics are extremely good for me

And with NHT it gets 3.73s along with a 10 speed so putting 35s or 37s on there would be pretty plug and play

 

Used prices stay up I may have to re invest..

 

Just texted my buddy, he’s a salesman at gmc dealer here, asking availability and the exact payload and towing capacity of this! Apparently there is only 1 allocated for Atlantic Canada at this time without a delivery date. Unsold at this time.. Asked me how I found out about this in max trailering package as it’s not advertised or available on the Canadian website..

Thanks Mass-Hole!!

 

When I traded my 2018 Tacoma, dbl cab, long bed TRD Offroad with @31k miles I got 32,500 on a trade in. I paid 36k in 2018....

 

I bought taco Aug of 2020 waiting for this new tundra, paid $50,700 with accessories, sold at auction 14 months later with 40,000kms on it for $50k.

 

I love it. Torsen and Hi-Lock T-case from the Raptor, plus more payload and towing. I think the 402A interior is one of the nicest Ford has done.

 

Was super nice. Only $9k above msrp lol. If I Did a tremor it’s be for 3% under invoice at granger

 

Granger is awesome. Saved me $10,000

 

That's interesting.
I am driving 2020 Tacoma now and waiting for a Tundra. Put a deposit down beginning of May with promised delivery in October / November. As of right now it's rather January / February.
Was seriously considering getting a 2022 AT4 with that diesel engine, pretty much was going to pick it up next day but backed down very last minute. Wasn't really convinced diesel (never owned one) would serve me well in Calgary winter with my short 15-20 minutes drives between jobsites. And I am not sure reliability is there.

 

Everything I've been told would say you shouldn't use diesels for short commutes or light duty type of work. You want to let them get up to temperature and work them hard. Otherwise, your emissions stuff will be in regen all the time. (Though I think in Alberta we can get away with deleting that stuff.)

 

Oh, so it's the Limited version. Before the refresh.

 

I got 35 min highway drive each way to work plus pulling my dump trailer. I think I can work it enough to not cause regen all the time

 

That's my understanding as well. Decided to wait for Tundra so no need to worry about that anymore.

 

I will say from experience with the 6.7 Powerstroke, the active regen cycles can take anywhere from 15-20 minutes after the truck has warmed up. Then it takes another 5-10 minutes of driving to finish cleaning out the particulates. This happened weekly and always conveniently about halfway into my 30 mile commute. So I would have to drive around another 10-15 minutes before getting to work. Probably the most annoying thing about daily driving a newer diesel.

 

Correct. I prefer the analog gauges and the increased console space that the column shifter provides. The 8" infotainment is plenty big enough for me. Only other changes would be the refresh moved the fog lights lower in front and changed the location of the block heater connection.