2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

car play is wireless and is a lot faster to connect and use than in my f150. Outside CarPlay the UI kinda meh

 

Please god, I hope so… most annoying thing of this truck, other then the clunking tailgate over bumps.. bad enough it’s only 10 min run time, but then you have to start it again even if it hasn’t reached it time limit yet just because you unlocked it or opened the door.. they should make it like every other remote start that you can activate it so you leave it running while you leave the truck for 5-10 mins when it’s -25 and snowing and blowing.

 

Ford will use Android Automotive for 2024 vehicles like GM does for their infotainment, you'll get used to it.

 

I hope they do that before I get mine. I have it in the Tacoma and hate it. It's ridiculous that all other brands engine keeps running when you open the door but for Toyota it's a safety feature.

 

I shopped the Tundra TRD Pro vs the Raptor.

I reserved a Pro; a gamble, yes, but Toyota has been extremely consistent with their vehicle quality and the experience with dealing with Toyota has been much better than my experiences with Ford (I have owned 2 F150s, a Sport Trac, a Mustang Cobra, and a regular Explorer). My Tundra is my third Toyota product (2016 Scion tC, 2018 Tacoma, 2022 Tundra)

fhe one thing that really pushed me away from Ford was when I went to test drive 2-3 year old Raptors. The wear/tear was not good. Yes the motor and suspension was great but the fit/finish on even the new ones really bothered me. I like Toyota because they seem to address the little stuff better. The Fords felt cheap-ish -and won’t hold up long term.

I cede the fact that the new Tundra is a first year of a new generation but I’d still take it. For reference with regards to resale, I traded in (trade-in mind you) my 2018 Tacoma TRD Off-Road and got $35k with 120k miles….I bought it for $38k with just 8 miles brand new in Jul 2018.

One last point: I finance with Toyota Motor Credit. I typically overpay my car note each month. This saved me when Covid hit and I lost all my work contracts. When you overpay, they bank the overpayment towards future payments instead of just adding it straight away to principle and expecting full payment the following month. I basically had 6 months of payments saved up and didn’t have to worry about it until I could get back to work. I’m not sure if Ford Motor credit operates in the same manner nowadays but when I financed through them they didn’t.

 

See I felt like the Tundra felt cheap compared to my Tremor. But I only looked at an SR5.

Can’t speak to the finance as I’m a cash buyer but I would think most of the time extra payments go towards principle. Prepaying is a little silly, invest it instead if it’s not saving you interest.

 

Oh nice. My truck takes less than 10 seconds. Cool they got it down to even less time than that.

 

Did you look at the Tremor? That seems more of a competitor to the TRD Pro than the Raptor.
What are your likes and dislikes about the Tundra?

 

Yeah putting the Pro against the Raptor isn’t a fair fight. Even the Tremor outclassed it in the Truck King test.

 

The wear and tear is the biggest difference I noticed.

I can already see where leather wear will be in my 150 mile lightning.

TFL’s lightning leather is already wrinkling and pilling too. It was how my 21 lariat leather was. It was starting to loosen up and the zest bottom was loose. The durability of the f150 is my only hesitation on the raptor but I’m just reluctantly overlooking it for the raptor.

I can see the cheap components in the TRD but from owning a similarly priced lariat the tundra is a lot more solid and is going to wear a lot better. Day 1 or my f150 I had to use a post it to stop a squeak. My pro has two shortcomings and one is hopefully fixed by the seat jackers and the other is the steering wheel height which I’ll have to live with.

 

i didn’t consider the tremor. I know the Raptor has beefier motor and suspension and the Tundra Pro is mild by comparison. For me it was after I test drove a third used Raptor and the steering wheel leather was rubbing off, it squeaked everywhere, panels were falling off, etc.

I didn’t have any of those issues with my Taco or the Scion. So far the Tundra feels solid.

For me:

Tundra Pros: the resale value and customer service experience cant be argued. I’m sure there are outliers but, as a whole, my experience has been significantly better than Ford. The fit and finish materials (at least on the Tundra Pro seems and feels great. As stated earlier, I don’t feel like the truck is a ticking timebomb for something to fall off or develop a squeak. The BBS wheels look frigging amazing and lots of tech that makes life easier. The ride is smooth and the transmission is seamless. Also, the financing options and ease of payment options and information fit my budget planning great.

I also overpay my vehicles for just such an emergency if I lose work or something comes up. Plus if I sell the vehicle early, it’s still counted towards principle. It was just a lot more flexibility for me.

Tundra cons: it’s simply not a super truck like the Raptor and probably the tremor. The motor feels beefy and is adequate but it’s not going to destroy the desert like the Raptor. The 32”Wildpeaks are okay but not what I would prefer in an off-road-centric truck. I already swapped them out for a set of 35” BFG K02s.

F-150 Raptor pros: the engine and suspension were absolutely bad ass! The thing pulls like Bill Clinton heading to boom-boom hour hour at the local strip club. Lol. It is definitely the best thing to talk about. The looks are aggressive and it definitely looks the part without a bunch of non-functional crap to make it look more than what it is. Resale is higher for Raptors.

F-150 Raptor cons: the original fit/finish is adequate when new but it drops off fast as it ages. By the time it gets to four or five years old it definitely looks weathered and tired. Such has been the case for Fords and GM trucks since the dawn of time. The dealer experience is extremely hit/miss. It’s hard to explain but you can definitely tell the difference between a adore and a Toyota dealership. Resale for lower trims is the same for most trucks but not as high as Toyota.

I acknowledge I’m comparing vehicles that probably aren’t the trims you are wanting but I would imagine the general impressions would carry over to lower trims as well. Toyota will always give you middle of the road stuff versus other auto makers. But I don’t think anyone can argue the general overall reliability and quality is consistently higher. I also acknowledge there will always be issues with any vehicle that is mass-produced. But those outliers aside and looking at the bigger picture, it’s going to depend on what you’re willing or unwilling ti live with.

 

My 2014 F150 is going on 8 and is still in really great shape. The only thing that rattles to my knowledge is the kids car seats. The interior looks great still too, and Ive maybe cleaned/conditioned it 5 times in 8 years. Tye best thing is keeping it in a garage.

Maybe the 13th and 14th gens suck more idk

 

Keep telling yourself "it's just the kids car seats" lol. (kidding)

 

Its honestly been a very solid truck. The only issues ive had with it was because I had it tuned and towed trailers around Utah, Wyoming and Idaho.

 

Been meaning to see what the “Getting storage in a Tundra hybrid” thread is all about. My powerboost has a flat load floor with folding underseat box. No tranny hump. Looks like you don’t get as much with the Tundra hybrid.

Again for me it came down to interior utility and packaging. It just baffles me how Toyota seems to have made a conscious decision to give up ground to its competitors in areas where they could have easily matched or beaten them. Like they took it for granted their customer base didn’t need or expect that and would pay for the name and new tech.

 

Mike sweers actually took a poll of tundra owners. It turns out they didnt want a flat floor, storage options, a generator or 4Auto. They just wanted a truck for truck stuff

 

The Tundra was not built for market share. It was built for Tundra/Tacoma owners. Mike Sweers' poll was Tundra owners which is a relatively small population to the big 3.

 

My 2014 interior is also in great shape and doesn't rattle. Also garage kept.

 

I was a Tacoma owner for seven years, guess they missed the mark.

 

So, what, Taco and Tundra owners dont do anything with their trucks?

Actually, now that I think about it, most Taco owners dont.

 

I thought I wanted underseat storage and flat floor but doesn’t matter. At least not until the booster seats are gone.

 

For me under seat storage is not desirable since I have a cooler for work and my RR “grip” back there on the floor most of the time. A flat floor would be nice though. Strangely the battery compartment of the iForceMax offers a better spot to put those on than many other solutions.

 

First off, I was in the market for the Tundra. I do like a lot about it.

I have been driving Tacomas since '07. What I like about the Tacoma Pro is it is the most encompassing trim in the Tacoma line. It doesn't compromise (as far as Tacomas are concerned). I use to upgrade my own vehicles but I don't want to bother with it anymore so the Pro was right up my alley. Regardless, my family has outgrown it and I'd like some of those highly desired creature comforts.

I wanted to upgrade to a Tundra but I can't find the trim I want without dealer markups that put it in Raptor territory. Even the Trims I like are what I'd consider 'settling.' The Pro is a f***ing Limited with appearance and suspension (and a questionable cream upper interior), the 1794 has too much damned chrome, the Platinum doesn't offer the Off-Road package, and the Capstone has 22" wheels and a white interior. Say you buy the truck closest to desired spec and hope it 'grows on you.' This truck cost $70K+. Now, you are either happy with it or you spend $$$$ replacing the wheels/tires/suspension you already paid for and everything else to get it how you want. People all over this forum have painted chrome parts or outright replaced them, tires/wheels are switched out, and Westcott is doing pretty well right now. I'm not willing to put any more work into finding one for MSRP either, and that's a bit of a personal problem, I get it.

I've been a Toyota family and came from a Toyota family. In fact, part of me wants to keep the Tacoma but I'm gonna try the Raptor out. Put a deposit on the right deal with an accompanied allocation and I configured it exactly as I want. I'm gonna roll the dice with the Ford reliability I've heard such great things about and probably invest in the extended warranty for once. I work from home so having it in the shop isn't too bad. Toyota will always be dear to me so if this thing with Ford doesn't work out, I'll be back. Maybe the Tacoma will be in a great spot by the time I get back.

I'm not much of a poster but I plan on lurking until the Raptor miraculously materializes or starts making me regret my decision so don't call me out (I mean you can though...).

 

Former Tacoma owner. I looked really hard at the Tundra. Spoke to a few dealers and universally they were all at least 10k over MSRP. I'm now driving a 2022 GMC Sierra with the 3.0L inline 6 duramax diesel. I'm seeing 28mpg on the highway and the engine isn't even broken in yet. I will have to wait and see if the reliability is there. I ended up right at $60k for the Sierra - pretty much what dealers were charging for optioned out SR5's with their mark up. Honestly in certain respects the new Tundra seems like a step backwards - the Gen 2 double cab's had plenty of second row seating - the Gen 3's had same or less room than my Tacoma in the second row. If I could have found a new gen 2 Tundra double cab I would probably be driving that now but they were pretty much all gone by the time I started looking to replace the Tacoma.

 

In my 2013 F150 it was just the media system.

Well, and the rear window. (3 times)

Well, and the rear driver's side door latch.

Well, and the valve body separator plate.

Well, and the emergency brake.

Well, and a few other things as well.

But other than that it was great!

 

I do like that the under seat storage comes with a factory gun rack.. smooth Toyota smooth

 

Which trim level is your Sierra?

 

SLT, crewcab short bed. So leather seats, heated/cooled front seats, wireless carplay, front/rear park assist/cross traffic alerts, blind spot monitor. I did not get the 360 HD vision cameras or the digital rear view. Base model stereo which I prefer since it is easier to upgrade than the bose system. The other thing I liked about the Sierra is the short bed is 5'10 but quite wide. So longer items can still usually fit on a diagonal. I had the 6' bed in my tacoma and going to a 5'5 bed was not appealing to me. Disclaimer - I took delivery missing heated/cooled seats, front/rear park assist - those will be retrofitted once the chips come in.

 

Sierras are sharp, I do like them as well. Before the Tacomas I had a 2001 SL Regular cab step side and a 2004 SLT extended cab, both 2wd. I went through a short phase of 20” wheels and rubber bands, haha. 20” was big back in the day.

I guess at this point I like all of the full-size trucks in their own ways. For midsize though, Tacomas all the way. The 2023 Colorado/Canyons do look good to me but only because I see Tacoma in them.