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10k vs 5k mile oil change

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by sabet, Aug 3, 2022.

  1. Aug 4, 2022 at 4:38 AM
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    I only have a 10th grade education and even "I" understand this!:thumbsup:
     
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    I'm sure it's by "accident," just like the Tax Code!
     
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    I didn’t believe that the owners maintenance guide would call for 10k so had to open it up. Have a 2021 tundra DC. It’s true it’s not listed as mandatory at 5,000, BUT there are about a dozen caveats further down, if you do this, if you do that. So basically if you use the truck as a truck is intended to be used that YES, every 5k. STUPID, I guarantee you that no engineer wrote that garbage. Some IDIOT in corporate who wanted to tout low maintenance or environmentally friendly came up with that hogwash, and some poor engineer was forced to put all those caveats in there.
     
  5. Aug 4, 2022 at 6:43 AM
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    Again, I’ve changed my oil at 10k intervals with quality synthetics for a long time and have had numerous vehicles go beyond 150k, some beyond 250k and one beyond 450k. My anecdotal evidence shows that for my use, 10k intervals was safe and effective. Zero engine failures, no smoke, clean intervals on inspection. Of course 3k and 5k intervals will work. My experience has been that 10k intervals worked just fine as well. I know some hotshot diesel owners that change their oil every 25k and have surpassed 300k miles on their rigs. Your oil doesn’t know how many miles you drove. We’ve already heard some blackstone analysis that supports 10k changes being effective and safe. If you’re doing 3-5k, that’s safe too. But please tell everyone doing it every 10k that their vehicles will explode, that they are cheap bastards and that oil is ruined after 5k.
     
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    Ill be the guy that makes you look sane..... My previous 2001 Lexus GS300 (155k miles) I didnt change the oil but every 25,000 miles and every time I drained it it looked brand new just like the day I put it in.

    Why 25,000 miles? Because we had this same discussion on clublexus.com about the 2JZ engine in the GS300 and most people were saying they didnt change theirs for 50,000 miles! and even at that it tested fine!

    "Synthetic oil doesnt break down" was a statement mentioned many many times in that discussion and before anyone claims "craziness", no one there had any issues with their engines (now granted the 2JZ maybe the best engine ever made...)
     
  7. Aug 4, 2022 at 7:31 AM
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    Part of the oil's job is to carry away dirt, at some point there will be dirt that keeps going around and around, due to a filter that can't capture anymore, leading to less flow. Synthetics have come a long way and are viable for 10,000 miles plus, provided the rest of the system can support it.
     
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    The oil filter will filter until it’s full. Then most have a bypass. Then you’re not filtering anymore. If you fall into severe duty use, high dust areas etc, then you need a more frequent maintenance schedule including oil and air filter changes. For non severe duty, longer intervals are possible.
     
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    There is no way you guys doing 10k changes are using your truck like a truck is intended. If you are the risk of damage is defiantly higher and you are pushing it. Listen to all of those caveats in the maintenance guide and make an informed choice. You do 40 oil changes vs 20, over 200k miles, at $60 an oil change the savings are only $1200! That’s chunk change, pennies, over the life of the truck. It is not worth the risk and def not good advice for someone who doesn’t understand all those caveats in the maintenance guide.
     
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    Turns out there is a way. I’m doing it. No explosions. No oil burning. 100’s of thousands of miles. I tow, I haul stuff, I use it to go hunting with some mild off roading. Weird.
     
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    I might have to creep over to Bobisthoilguy forum to see what them “experts” think of that video. You more than know it’s being discussed right now. :argue:
     
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    I aim for 5000 miles and a new filter every change. (Changing oil without the filter is nuts!)
    I also use Toyota OEM filters. I buy them in bulk from Toyota dealers via Amazon. (I'm told non Toyota filters likely don't filter as well. Why risk it?)
    And I'm one of those Amsoil fans. (You get what you pay for. Worth the extra $100/year in my book.)

    Works out to oil changes about 2x a year for me. Mostly highway mileage. But HOT highway miles during the summer (easily 110+ 2-3 months of the year).
     
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    Whatever this forum told me to do
    I posted an analysis over there once....it was an awesome Kirkland 0w-20 after 5k miles.

    they were telling me my metals were about to start rising.

    what?

    about to start rising? WTF is that?

    never again.
     
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    Well something is working for you, that is good but I think it is still risky. One thing that comes to mind is you’re in Arkansas which has a fairly mild climate. So using the synthetic, combined with lower stressing climate, probably what is in reality mild use overall it’s worked out for you. Just saying, there is a reason they put all kinds of caveats in there, look at all of them it is laughable LoL!

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    Drinking water is risky, too.
     
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    Mild is not how I would describe the weather here. We’ve had 15 days over 100° already this summer. We’ve had 10 days in a row below freezing several years. Humidity is high more often than not. If you’re not using synthetic, you need to be. All the worries you have about oil life are related to conventional oil. The only common element between them is contamination by combustion process and ingested dirt through the air intake. Conventional oil breaks down over time and with heat. Synthetic does not suffer the same fate. You still need to change your oil based on the contamination factor, your interval may vary based on your use. No one here is wrong to change it every 3-5k.
     
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    It’s my experience that changing the oil is the easiest way to maintain an engine. When the oil gets changed, usually everything else in the engine compartment and drive train gets looked at, too, and that helps catch minor issues before they become major issues.
     
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    To those getting 150k+ that's great. The video did say the 1 quart per 1k mile consumption started at 120k and it only got extreme over 150k. Maybe you won't have issues during your ownership (if you don't keep your vehicles) but that does not mean damage is not being done.
     
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    My 2000 is at almost 270k miles, I still have it. No issues. My 1992 BMW made it to 455k miles, gave it away. No issues. The list goes on....
     
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    My '90 325ic, & '92, 325is have 100k & 300k respectively, they have had 5k oil changes and run perfectly. I suppose neither changing the oil nor not changing it at 5k are harming these 2 BMWs & your vehicles, neither is a valid sample of what is the right path.
     
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    If ambient temperature is 100°F, what is the engine coolant temperature once operating equilibrium is achieved?

    If ambient temperature is 50°F, what is the engine coolant temperature once operating equilibrium is achieved?
     
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    Both are valid samples, but by no means conclusive. Maybe I'm just a lucky son of a gun?
     
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    ...I think I'm going to go change the oil in the Jeep.

    I'm gonna insert the 5w20 Mobil 1 and a Lopar filter.

    Maybe I'll sign the bottle a few times prior to insertion.

    Everyone wish me luck with not harming the filter housing!
     
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    I don’t know what point you are trying to make but the temperatures inside your engine will and do change with load and ambient conditions. The coolant temp and engine temps where the sensors are will vary, but not too much obviously. The process of start up, shut down is probably more stressing than driving at steady rate doing 55 for 20 miles. That is why one of the caveats they put in the manual is lots of cold weather startups. One of the most stressing things to any mechanical system is a cold start. The risks are just not worth the reward here, just not even close.
     
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    Mobil 1 every 5k miles or 6 months, whichever comes first. Been doing that since my 2001 Toyota Camry and still the same on my Tundra now. Every manufacturer says 10k on synthetic now because people are lazy and they like hearing that.
     
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    I am sorry to hear your ignorance. According to you, there has been zero progress in oil and vehicle manufacturing industry.
     
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    Every 3k miles, I like clean oil in my Tundra. Considering Royal purple, kept my oil temps down on my Supercharged car.
     
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