3rd Gen V8

Do they put down more than 500 whp? Cause I remember people on here freaking out about some guy putting down 475 whp and I was thinking to myself that a 3.5L Ecoboost can do that with a $500 tune.

 

Not surprising. It's a 12+ year old V8.

 

It's power and torque numbers still remain competitive among current V8's though, with the exception of the 6.2L. None of them are making over 400hp or much more than 400 tq. And the 5.7L makes its peak torque lower than anyone else.

 

Depends on which mods you go with and also the dyno. A guy with the same mods as mine put down 538hp and 566 tq. Which I think is a bit higher than the usual. With headers, and larger intake they’re 600 at the wheels. Beyond that you want to start building the engine for the power if you up the boost. That said they’re pretty reliable in that 600 range. I read the Ford design as far as bore and stroke is more conducive to big power gains as opposed to the tundra TTV6 which has a smaller bore and longer stroke. Maybe you could shed some light since you’re a Ford guy. No doubt they can make some impressive power with just a tune but I personally prefer the big old V8 and the glorious blower whine for myself.

 

I think turbo size is going to play into it more than the bore/stroke. A stock 2018+ Ecoboost is running 41mm compressors and they can flow 62 lbs/min. Ford did that so that the engine could make the factory HP ratings in virtually all environments. You could literally be at 12000' of elevation on a 100F day and the turbos can supply 400 hp worth of air. The side benefit is big power numbers tuned.

But the original ecoboost turbos were tiny. I think my 2014 is like a 36.7mm compressor and is good for around 48 lb/min. And the 2011-2012's were even smaller and only good for about 45 lbs/min. The good thing is it only costs me about $1700-2500 to get some big turbos.

Who knows what Toyota did.

 

Not disagreeing, but would that be the case if the writing wasn't on the wall for V8s by mandate? If they were allowed to build it without the same level of restriction could they make the V8 put down better numbers? Is it possible they've intentionally not maximized what V8s can do so that the turbo V6s are able to beat the numbers and still maintain some economy?

I'd just like to see what a factory built, forced air, V8 with an appropriately designed 8-10 speed transmission could do.

 

I answered yes, but,... I my opinion Toyota didn't make the 3rd gen anything to write home about. Its a first year production, not going to be a guinea pig. Lastly, keeping in mind the first 2, I am not paying the ridiculous price because of reasons 1&2. I have had an 08,10,15 and now a 20. Never an issue. I was hoping for something extravagant for 3rd gen. and I was ready to trade up since I have a lease, but it wasn't anything extravagant and prices are through the roof. NEVER have I paid MSRP and I am not about to start for something that depreciates. Eventually I see myself in one because the 20 will grow old, but not right now.

 

Like a Hellcat? Or are you talking with DOD and Direct Injection?

I think the 2021+ Coyote with the Ford Performance supercharger is a pretty good indication of what a dual injection/dod DOHC V8 can do. 700 crank HP with a whipple. A guy on the F150 forum dyno'd his recently at ~620 whp.

 

I know that they can do it. Look at the big 3 V8, they keep going up and up in HP/TQ. But lets face it, Toyota isn't in the HP/TQ performance game. They want reliability, hence why they don't fix it if it aint broke. Also it was probably cheaper to spend money on the R&D on the V6TT since other manuf are going that route. Now from real word numbers the V6TT isn't getting anything astounding vs the out going V8. Not to mention those number posted on a thread on here are stock trucks. Start adding lifts and 33" or 35" and those number will suffer big time.

 

I mean in a truck application for actual use sans the strangulation via regulation. No cylinder deactivation, stop/start, EGR, unless they can do it reliably. Not modded or maxed. Just what could they turn out from the factory. Could it compete with the TTV6s that are being forced on us?

The hellcat is purely for drag racing/show boating. Not comparable to a $40K-$50K truck application.

 

Two Thumbs up...went from 2010 to 2022. More power - better mpg

 

Lol. Did you stop reading the rest of that sentence?

 

the big 3 haven’t really increased in power in a long time with the exception of the 5.0. The 6.2 and 5.3 have been the same since 2014 when they introduced direct injection. The hemi has been the same since 2015 I think. The 5.0 only got a bump in 2015 cause it got a ram air intake and 2018 bump was because the engine Was completely updated top to bottom With direct injection higher compression ratio and factory headers

 

Right, and not arguing they haven't increased for a while. Why would you beef up the V8s that are you are going to be forced to drop it? Build a product up, drop it, and replace it with a "lesser" option? Sounds like a bad long term plan.

 

This clearly is a hotly debated issue, more than I figured in all honesty…

Personally I am completely indifferent AS long as the motor/transmission is as reliable, capable, and more efficient (gas standpoint) than my current V8. It would not phase me in the least owning TTV6 as long as my criteria is met. I would gladly buy a 3rd Gen Tundra tomorrow. Outside of some issues in the reliability department Toyota has been successful with everything else. I speculate Toyota will correct those issues.

What I am passionate about this do or die head first POLITICAL plunge into full EV vehicles. This technology is the future but it’s simply not up to par for mainstream use across the vast vehicle categories (mid-size car/full-size car/CUV/SUV/commercial trucks/buses/etc etc…). I am interested in hybrids because I feel it’s a realistic bridge until EV’s are REALLY ready for the mainstream.

Saving money on gas is never a bad thing…

Back to my original point, I really don’t care what’s under the hood as long all categories of performance (power/torque/range/mpg’s) are at absolute minimum equal but really should be better than my current vehicle with the same class. And he’ll for the prices these days these vehicles better be damn good…

 

The only way they were gonna get that was by slapping an electric Prius engine to the V8

 

still too early to say... i guarantee that if shit hits fan at 100k plenty of v6'ers would obviously prefer the reliability of the v8. i know the majority of them would prefer the fit and finish of a 2.5 gen over the silly little issues we see here daily.

 

Its interesting to see how much the poll numbers have changed. It started out being 80% no 20% yes and now look

I guess I'll be submitting this to Toyota HQ so they can start rolling out the V8s

 

I got 16.6 towing my zero turn and some other lawn equipment with a small trailer. 30.9 miles. Probably 20 miles were highway. And I’m on TRD Fox suspension and skinny 35s

I think a 10sp that took advantage of the 5.7’s relatively low range torque band (compared to other v8s) could have been really great. Especially with a hybrid.

Speaking of, I’m really looking forward to seeing how the hybrid trucks do over the next few years.

 

I get that and it alludes to my point. I think everyone realizes the V8's days are numbered for the majority of applications and in Toyota's case its dead. Stellantis will have V8's for another year or two and by 2025 when Cafe Standards hit it will be d/c'd. Stellantis is at least letting their V8's go out with a BANG. They're waving a giant flat and saying "hey all you V8 lovers, this is your last chance to get a V8 and if you want one buy one now. Oh and we're going to supercharge it for you". Want a V8 super truck? Ram TRX. Want that V8 you finally wanted in a Wrangler? 392 Wrangler. How about a track car? Hellcat. They're giving their Hemi at least a proper send off and giving the people one last chance to get one before it's officially gone. At least they tried to appeal to the enthusiast one more time. Toyota sent the V8 iForce out with a whimper and gave you a nightshade package or something.

 

Hell, I'd like to be better off too. So, I'll just crawl my happy a$$ on over to the 'realization line', work my way to the front of it, and suck down as much of that kool-aid as I can swallow. All because not only does our government know best, but they will always act in our best interest.

Regarding the all electric version that KroppDuster posted a comment on... I'm very disappointed with the numbers Toyota put out for the hybrid versions of the 2022 Tundra in comparison to the non-hybrid Tundras. Sure you get more HP and torque, but what about MPG; it's a very minimal difference for the extra upfront expense and soon to be extra expenses down the road. So, while I'm always 'curious' about what they put out, I'm not expecting to be impressed w/the result.

Although, as soon as I realize that I'll be better off once I lower my expectations, I'm sure I'll feel much better about spending more money for less...

 

We did!

 

... and I'm still trying to figure out why either manufacturer (Toyota or Ford) felt the need to pump fake engine sounds/noise into your door speakers so you'll 'enjoy the experience' more than what it actually gives you; apparently even their engineers thought, 'the numbers look good, but this thing sounds like shit! Can someone please find me a track-ready, turbo, cat-less, exhaust sound that we can pump into the cabin through the speakers so these folks will love their trucks more!'

Hell... why stop there? They should've equipped them with a mechanical arm that pops out from under the seat and gives you a happy ending after you've just experienced your TTV-6 @ max boost...

 

Toyota Turbo engines weak and unreliable?

2JZ-GTE enters the discussion

 

Having put almost 9000 miles on my TT V6 and almost 200,000 miles on a 4.7L V8, I'd like a TT 4.7 V8 with the 10 speed transmission and a tune that dumped the lag.

 

I am of the same mind. I have no loyalty to the V8 configuration, and that's coming from someone who has been hot rodding old '60's muscle cars since I was in high school. I currently have a 2016 Tundra with the 5.7 and while I like the engine/tranny combo, the fuel mileage sucks and I wish it had more power lower in the band. Turbochargers add power lower in the rpm range which corrects one of the things I don't like about my naturally aspirated 5.7. I'm one who doesn't give two craps about how the engine sounds, I don't even want to hear it to be honest. I want everything as quiet as I can get it. Loud vehicles are obnoxious and to be honest a V8 doesn't sound nearly as good as a V12 or even a straight 6. I'm perfectly OK with them going to a TTV6 and 10 speed transmission.

For the time being, however, I'll be keeping my 2016 Tundra. I'm not completely impressed with the new truck to be honest. There are too many first year teething problems for my taste and the retail prices are just crazy. The real world MPG reports aren't what I'd hoped for (some of us do care about mileage). I'm also disappointed that they made the inside smaller. I'm a big guy and one of the best things about my Tundra is how spacious it is, I don't want to give that up. The reports of the double cab being almost unusable concern me too. I currently have a double cab and it's fine for riding guests a short distance. I have no interest or desire to go to a CrewMax but I don't want to give up a functional back seat either. I'll probably buy a 3rd gen eventually to replace the 2016 but right now I don't see how it improves much on what I've already got. The new one costs too much and the fuel mileage improvements are too modest to justify switching. Giving up the interior space would bother me. I was hoping to be blown away by the new truck but I'm kind of ambivalent about it to be honest. The first year problems are unlike Toyota and shouldn't have happened, somebody dropped the ball over there. In the past I haven't hesitated to buy first year Toyota products but I won't from here on out, I'll wait until at least the second year of a model run.

 

are you sure its turbo lag and not transmission lag? with a 10spd it has to jump quite a few gears when you mashed that pedal. my opinion is i think its transmission lag.

 

At least the 2J's turbos could be easily accessed were there issues. You know, with wastegates or something. The serviceability of the 2J vs. V35 are night and day different.

As someone who works on his own vehicles, being able to service an engine in my garage is quite beneficial.

I get that an inline 6 is not conducive to packaging efficiency, but I like the layout, balance, simplicity, etc. over a V6 any day. Especially when going turbo.

Will be interesting to see what this "Stellantis" I6 brings to the table. The pentestar V6 is is made of dog poop.

 

It's possible, but I've noticed a lag from a dead stop as well.

 

Right. Except Ram nearly did with just an 8 speed. I mean if we’re just looking at paper.