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Ford eco boost 3.5L vs Tundra 5.7L for towing

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by Dansly56, Apr 24, 2022.

  1. Apr 24, 2022 at 8:06 AM
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    Been looking hard at Trading in my tundra for a used ford eco boost 3.5L with the 3.55 gear ratio, these trucks have 2000 of payload but I’m skeptical on the longevity. Would that ford be a better towing option for heavier travel trailers 6500lb dry and 920lb hitch weight or will the tundra be ok towing this with a family of 4?
     
  2. Apr 24, 2022 at 9:34 AM
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    Payload capacity aside, you'll probably like the Tundra better because it weighs more than the F150 so will be more stable towing. I'd also trust Toyota's reliability over Ford's. That being said, yes, payload in the Tundras can be lower than what's available from Ford and GM. Honestly, if you're over the limits of the Tundra, I'd recommend a one ton rather than another brand of halfton.
     
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    I love my tundra and it’s sad that the payload is so damn low on these trucks but I want to safe towing the wife in kids and me also having a side hustle in selling boats and rvs. I’m limited to what I can buy and flip with a tundra meanwhile using those toys with my fam. 1 ton is out of my range but I found a few f250 6.2L gasser in my range and seems to be the same as a tundra as far as MPG but a big difference in payload.
     
  4. Apr 24, 2022 at 9:44 AM
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    I’d check the payload sticker on the Ford to make sure the exact truck you’re looking at is 2000 lbs. I’d tow that trailer with a tundra, but if you’re on the fence just go 3/4 ton.
     
  5. Apr 24, 2022 at 9:45 AM
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    With a hitch weight of 920 lbs I would be skipping right over a 1/2 ton truck.

    920+425=1325 lbs

    I’m not sure why 1/2 ton guys just don’t appreciate what the truck is:

    Light duty, daily driver, comfortable traveler, etc.

    Get a 6.6L gas GM and be happy if you want any more than that.
     
  6. Apr 24, 2022 at 9:49 AM
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    My $.02. I’ve heard the 6.2 gasser in the f-250 isn’t that great. YMMV, but if I were going 3/4 ton gasser it would be a Ram with the 6.4 or a ford with the 7.3.
     
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    My MIL had a 2012 F150 EB for 140+k miles without many issues other than recalls. To be honest, it was a good truck.
     
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    You need to quantify what you would consider as "better" in this scenario. Are we talking stability, ease of towing, reliability, MPGs? What of these are the bigger priorities to you?
     
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    Just figured the 1/2 ton 3.5 eco boost might be an option for that size trailer with it having 2k of payload. Why GM of a ford 6.2 gasser?
     
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    payload because we both know who wins the mpg battle.
     
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    Towing there isn't much difference in MPG between them, actually. Now, empty, yes the sixer will sip while the V8 chugs.

    The lighter Ford pulling a heavier load that the Tundra doesn't sound like fun to me, but it's a personal preference. If you are after increased payload I would agree that bumping up into the HD territory will be your best bet. If I ever need more than the Tundra can manage I'm going HD again. Purely based on reliability I'd prefer the Tundra, but to move big things I'd go for an HD gasser.
     
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    There’s nothing wrong with a Ford 6.2L gas truck. I drive a 2015 F250 CC SB truck at work. If it’s what you can afford…go for it. That motor is a little dated and I wouldn’t want to be paying for fuel.

    That being said, I prefer the GM gasser to the 6.2L Ford motor. I also like the GM looks and options better.

    Now I have driven several 6.2L Raptor motors with 5 Star Tuning and they are pretty impressive.

    A couple buddies have purchased 7.3L Fords with the 10 speed trans and I have been in one of them long term. Very impressed. One of them did the 5 Star Tuning on this setup and WOW. Different truck.
     
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    I’ve read about that 5 star running on a ford 6.2 gasser that it wakes it up so if I can get that plus the payload I’d be happy but not happy with the mpg lol
     
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    I’m not going to bullshit you, the 6.2L in my work truck averages 13 mpg on the highway empty. Towing will get you in the single digits.

    Now the GMs don’t do bad. Ask @knoxville36 on his averages. I was pretty impressed.

    The F350 Tremor 7.3L/10 speed we took in the mountains for a week averaged 16 mpg round trip. That really impressed me.
     
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    Oh, and the 3.5L EcoBoost will be in the single digits as well under load. They tow hard, but they also drink hard.
     
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    My tundra gets me 10mpg around town and 8mpg under load smh
     
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    So it’s not stock then.
     
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    That’s why I was comparing it to the tundra because under load I hear the ford is a better tower because of the turbos but with no load I would love the mpg over the tundra mpg and the payload of that eco boost is 700lbs more
     
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    33” wheels

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    Yep. Bad ass looking truck Dan. Unfortunately even the smallest tire/wheel increase and leveling kit just kills the fuel economy.
     
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    and it eats up the damn payload so really my payload must be 1100 with the added rims, tires, TRD sway bar, timbren bump stops, coilovers, bed liner and amp steps
     
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    Have you weighed your truck to see how far below GVWR you are?


    Also, for mileage, did you account for the additional distance travelled per rotation on the larger tires when determining MPGs?


    And finally, on the Ford, is it on or has it ever been on larger tires? If it has it's odometer is reading low.

    Just stuff to consider.
     
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    I am also highly skeptical of the F150’s longevity. My family are all loyal Ford people, and I have too much indirect experience with F150s and EB Expeditions to want to ever drop money on one. I just don’t trust them at all. Ford’s main priority is to have the best truck on paper. Release it first, and fix it later. This may be changing though, as their CEO recently said they lose way too much money on warranty work. From the article: “‘Bad parts from suppliers account for about one-third of Ford's warranty costs,’ Drake said. The rest stem from design and manufacturing issues…” :eek2: Ford’s warranty costs were over twice that of GM’s and over $2B higher for the first three quarters of 2020 ($3.87B vs $1.68B).

    That said, your Tundra might not be the best choice either, unfortunately. If I needed to tow, I’d probably be in a 6.6 GMC gasser. The 7.3L Ford gasser is impressive, too, but again, I don’t trust Ford. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    My FIL's 2011 EB is treating him well but his trailer is about 5000 lbs dry with an advertised 700 lb tongue weight. Just enough for him and my MIL but a bit small for a family.
     
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    Holy crap. I had no idea on the numbers there. I vaguely remember hearing it mentioned, but thank you for sharing hard numbers/percentages. That's shockingly bad.
     
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    When I originally read that story months ago (so could be misremembering), the Ford CEO's meaning was that he was going to go after their parts suppliers, rather than changing anything about their own internal QC processes.
     
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    Excellent insight to ford issues. Never knew that about ford in that scale
     
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    Yeah that’s a good way to say you’ve improved warranty costs (something shareholders will like to hear) without having to R&D changes to their own design and manufacturing processes. Typical Ford, lol.
     

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