2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

My goal is to do torsen/Truetracs front and rear in my GX. Then ill have torsens on both axles and the center.

i had a Jeep Liberty that i put Truetracs in both axles. It had a full-time 4x4 t-case that was an open diff and, even then, it was ridiculously good.

For me, the torsen/truetracs are way more useful than a locker. There are so few situations where a locker is needed in a normal truck

 

But you were thinking about buying a Rivian?

 

Toyota put out another Tundra versus video. This one for the GMC Sierra. Full disclosure - I wanted a Tundra. All the local dealers are at least 10k over MSRP. I can't justify they kind of mark up. Coupled with the first year bugs that seem to be getting worked out I have decided to go with the GMC Sierra. I have a pending order (waiting for GMC to accept it and slot it into the production schedule), for the 2022 refreshed Sierra. SLT, crewcab, 5'9 bed, 3.0 duramax diesel, x31 and premium plus package. I may have to wait 3 to 6 months but in the end I got to order what I wanted as opposed to being locked into toyota's model of dealers getting what they get on allocation.

Maybe in a few years if we ever return to "normal" and I can find multiple trims/configurations on a dealers lot without having to pay at least a 10k markup over MSRP I will revisit the tundra.

 

We have a 2020 Silverado at work with 15k miles on it that kicks pretty hard shifting from 2nd to 3rd but I suspect that's at least partially due to spending most of its life idling around at 20 mph.

 

I think the 2020 silverados either have a 6 speed or 8 speed transmission. The newer Sierra's have a 10 speed that is supposedly pretty good. The inline 6 duramax paired with the 10 speed seems like a decent combo. Seeing reports of RWD sierra's tickling 40mpg with the duramax. Not buying it for fuel economy but getting high 20's on hwy won't suck considering it's a full sized truck. That little diesel only makes 277hp but manages 460lb tq at only 1500 rpm.

 

Yeah, this one is a Custom, which I think means it has the 6 speed and the old 5.3.

 

You’ll be happy with that choice. My neighbor has one and it drives great. That 10 speed was codeveloped with Ford I believe and that baby diesel is best in class. Speaking of @flattie I caught this in my backyard tonight, just over 25. Not a monster but a good fight.

 

Nice fish. username flattie derives from growing up on the ocean in the mid atlantic. St Patricks day was the unofficial open for winter flounder. Growing up we fished for winter flounder then switched over to summer flounder aka fluke then back to winter flounder in the fall. All flatfish. I worked for a few years on a headboat/partyboat and all we fished for were flounder and fluke. I got pretty good at filleting flatfish. Hence the name flattie.

 

I think its kind of odd you only see a truck as a mean of travel, yet are a member of an enthusiast forum for one.

 

I rented a Silverado in early 2020 on vacation when it was on my list and was highly disappointed in shift quality. My Crewmax was 11 years old and had 100k at the time and shifted far more smoothly. Im pretty sure it had the older transmission that was known for being quirky. Really annoying thump into gear at low speeds. Shifted and rode like a 2009 or 2010 vintage truck, not a 2020.

The new interior looks far better though and I’ve heard good things about the new transmission. Had I gone that route instead of my Ford I probably would’ve had to have a 6.2 truck. Was the only Chevy motor I wanted.

I am honestly surprised to still be hearing so many stories of insane markup. Dealers of all makes around here have mostly stopped doing that in response to allocation threats from manufacturers. But of course they all act like it’s a self initiated act of good will because they want to be nice guys.

 

Here's an example -

https://www.sunrisetoyota.com/new-toyota-trucks-long-island.html?Model=Tundra

After walking into another dealership that had removed the window stickers to be told 12,500 over what I knew to be sticker I've given up for now on a Tundra.

 

https://www.tundras.com/threads/202...-editable-live-website-www-markups-org.99185/

 

I have actually been seeing Tundras on the streets now, and not just reports of fantom
Ones being snapped up in transit and mostly disappearing from lots before I can get there to see. That grill is still overwhelming but less so when body colored.

We have a large dealer here selling at MSRP with some sort of 200 dollar window etching required to get that price. Seems like if all the dealers in a region stand pat on markup people are screwed. But if just one or two decide to do MSRP deals to pull in customers looking for some basic fairness the rest have to follow suit. When I was looking at 22 Tundras the dealer where I got my 09 and my wife’s camry was doing several k markup and telling me the truck I wanted was a unicorn. Would always come with a mountain of port installed accessories attached.

Then I emailed window stickers of another dealer selling at MSRP with my configuration available minus undesirable extras and had to tell them sorry, didn’t look like we’d be able to do business this time Around. If buying two vehicles and a decade’s worth of service there wasn’t worth special consideration I’d move on.

If it ended up being a Tundra I told them I’d be buying elsewhere. The sales manager kept sending me window stickers to look at and I think they would have finally done MSRP, but none were what I wanted.

Nobody doing dealer trades around here on these things. I am still not sure the nearest major dealers around me even have test drive opportunities yet.

 

Chevy uses 3 different transmissions in their trucks. The Old 6L80, the less old 8L90, and the 10L90. The 8L is generally considered a terrible transmission, even by the GM diehards, and I think there is a pretty good chance that his what you had. The 10L was only in the trucks with the 6.2L or 3.0L and high trim 5.3's. My guess is you probably had a 5.3L with the 8 speed in a rental.

 

My dads company truck is a 3rd gen Chevy 3500HD gas dually. Absolutely awful. 2 trannies in under 90k and I believe it got a third eventually, still shifts like garbage. Its had other major issues like needing the entire computer replaced around 40k. Brakes sucked and were borderline dangerous at 75% towing capacity.

 

Hopefully an isolated incident and Toyota took care of it pretty quickly but this guys brand new truck rear axle came out of the housing and it broke his brakes lines so bled all his fluid out. If this had happened on the highway he'd likely be dead, three wheels and only no brakes....

https://youtu.be/iQKRYB9vdw0?t=264

 

This thread is 50 pages long so I'm sure there's nothing that hasn't been said already, but I'm pretty non-biased between Ford and Toyota. I've owned three Toyotas in the past and they were all good vehicles with no issues. 2005 Camry, 2004 4Runner which I regret trading in more than anything I've owned, and a 2016 Tacoma TRD OR that I sold after a couple years because I hated the powertrain, but it had no problems while I owned it.

I currently have a 2021 F150 XL, SCrew 4x4. When I bought it I was an idiot, I really didn't want any options other than 4x4 and the 5.0, so when I test drove the truck it seemed like everything I wanted, except one thing that I didn't notice. No cruise control. I've never driven a new vehicle without cruise, so it never even entered my mind to check if it had it. So now I've got this truck that's fine except for that. I've screwed around and wasted money on a rostra aftermarket unit and it has failed already, so I'm definitely going to be trading it. Now I'm stuck between the Tundra and a better optioned F-150. I will say from what I've seen the F-150 has a much better interior design, and in 10k miles so far the only issue was needing the backup camera replaced as it was faulty. Twin turbo V6s scare me, it's my main apprehension about giving up my 5.0. The ecoboosts seem to be pretty ironed out and problem free with the exception here and there though. The 5.0 with 3.31 gears also gets 19.5 mpg average for me, about half and half in town driving and highway. That's better than what I'm seeing on here for the Tundra which really makes me question the necessity of a 3.4L V6. I am also not a fan of how Toyota puts the same engine essentially in something like a luxury crossover/suv, and a truck that's rated to tow 10k+ lbs. It may be fine, but what are they doing differently to increase the capacity and life of a transmission that is used in both a full sized truck and an SUV? I.e. Ford puts the 10r80 in their trucks and a 10r60 in the Bronco, explorer, etc. There are also things like the F-150 having steel bumpers front and rear, while the Tundra seems to have plastic multi-piece "bumpers" like the tacoma I had. But the F-150 I've been optioning with what I really wanted in the first place is coming to around $50k MSRP, while the Tundra is around $45-47k MSRP. Not sure how bad the mark-ups are around here. So all in all, I'd give both a hard look. The F-150 is pricier when comparing them with similar features.

 

The TTV6 worries you even when Ford has been refining it for 15+ years now?

 

Yes, there is a lot more complexity. The ecoboosts still do have issues that you don't have with a NA v8. Coolant leaks, extra lines going to the turbos. And even though Ford has been working on them for 15 years, Toyota has not. This many turbo issues from a small sample size like this forum is worrying. Not to mention all of the extra blow-by you inevitably get with a boosted engine, with low friction rings, creates a dirty atmosphere.

 

No I agree on the Toyota, it'll be a fine engine eventually no doubt but I won't be the guinea pig. The catch cans I see installed on the latest gen ecoboost 3.5 seem to indicate that blowbuy is not as bad as it once was. Even most of today's NA engines are much more complicated than they used to be.

 

I feel like gen 3 Tundra's are headed to the Big 3 bucket in terms of reliability. There's no doubt the gen 2-2.5 is bullet proof. But I wouldn't have the same confidence in the 22 Tundra.

 

Totally agree about past gens being bullet proof. I have concerns that most redesigned Toyotas will not share that same reliability.

 

How in the hell did all 4 retaining nuts for the hub come off? I mean the chances of that happening are insane unless they simply were not installed or torqued. The studs are still there and look totally fine, just missing the nuts.

Its the same design as my 1995 4Runner and likely every solid axle Toyota since then and we haven't heard of peoples axles coming loose.

 

Toyota Corporate sent an engineer out apparently and they said that one of the 4 was not torqued correctly so it came off, then over time the resulting vibration loosened the other three. Owner also said that he felt a lot of vibration before and that it seems to mostly be gone now that the new axle is installed.

 

It would be interesting to know if this was possibly the reason why the QC hold was on 1794s. If it was, major lawsuit

 

Whoa! Definitely need cruise control lol.

 

Is there something unique about the 1794 axle?

 

I doubt it but couldnt tell you for sure.

 

1. You can probably add factory cruise control to your current truck using Forscan. I bet the factory wiring is there and its just a matter of adding the buttons and activating it. This has been true for a long time adding things like the factory trailer brake controller, upgrading the nav screen Sync 3/4, people have changed to the 4Auto transfer case, added the factory diff locker, etc. Forscan is very powerful and free.

2. The Tundra probably weighs 500 lb more than your F150. I mean if your truck is minimally optioned its probably around 4900 lbs whereas the Tundras start around 5400 lbs. Your average tundra on here is probably more like 5500-5600 lbs. Thats a LOT of extra weight to be toting around so I would not expect MPG's to be the same.

3. The Land Cruiser/LX600 are hardly luxury crossovers. They are essentially a shrunk down Tundra. Same frame, same driveline, same everything. They are built to be abused overseas in the bush. The only reason the tow ratings are lower is the wheelbase(land cruisers are only 112" vs a Tundra at 145" or more) and payload capacity. The LX600 is probably a bit lower payload than a Tundra since its fully loaded.

4. If you are not towing frequently and heavy, I cannot see the 3.5 Ecoboost or Tundra 3.4 having major advantages over a V8. Possibly slightly better MPG. If your concern is about MPG's and not towing then the choice should be a 2.7L Ecoboost. Hands down its the best 1/2 ton engine out there for MPG and is also one of the cheapest. So far, it has been very reliable too. And Even if you were towing, the 2.7 can hold its own and probably tows better than a lot of the V8's with its extra low end torque.

 

1. I looked into that before looking at other routes, apparently it's not like the last gen where you could just swap a wheel or buttons, the module is possibly integrated into the ECM or something. I'm not sure, but AFAIK no one has figured it out yet. Doesn't seem to be a popular problem as most people probably aren't driving XLs with no STX or high electronics package
2. Yeah my curb weight is right around 500 lbs, still, that's about an 11% difference in average MPG from what I'm seeing.
3. The western market land cruiser and lexuses are not even related to what's being used "overseas in the bush." They're using diesels and NA gas engines.
4. I wanted the v8 purely for the sound and perceived reliability.