2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I liked my ram and it was fine , out of the ram and this tundra guess which one died in my garage and wouldn’t start and took a week to get repaired.

 

Wise move. The current crop of new half tons are trying to be too many things all at once. From where I stand, this is what I see modern half tons as:

• comfortable (embarrassingly enough, this is top priority for most buyers),
• feature-laden (consumer perception is that each new feature must become standard across the segment; this compounds into overly complicated vehicles that are less reliable than their forebears),
• basically it’s a family hauling minivan with a giant useless screen and a bed,
• shaped like a brick,
• supposed to be a fuel efficient towing vehicle,
• and the whole thing is run by software you have to go to the dealer to reflash or update.

 

I won’t disagree with most of that, but I will say a better ride is a main reason I would like to upgrade , I have 320lbs of sand tubes in the rear of this one to calm the axle hop. I’m kinda getting tired of it, it’s mainly the roads around here just totally suck, but it is what it is. The older I get the less I want my teeth rattling I guess .

the new tundra I tested rode light years better , had higher payload higher towing as well from what I have now. I’m not a mpg guy but I have one of the tundra that are just total gas pigs, so while not overly important to me, better mpg as a bonus isn’t bad either. To be clear that has about 0 to do with the potential upgrade but I’ll take it as a bonus

 

Your post made me check and I can't believe how many are sitting at the closest local dealer for sale, with discounts.
The Ram 1500 trim has the highest current reliability rating. With that said none of the full size pickups have good ratings now that the 2.5 gen Tundra is gone.
I left Dodge (Ram) ,well Jeep really.... about the same time as you.
I no longer live a 15 minute drive from dealers. This factors in big time because I am too far away to be shuttled home and picked up later.
So important to me would be not only # of unexpected trips to the dealer, but the dealer experience, and if they did indeed fix any problems. or are they reoccurring.
I'd look into that more if I was interested.

We are probably months away now from the first 3rd Gen Tundra reliability reports. No one is expecting the 3rd Gen to be as reliable as the prior gen.
I expect that rating to drop, but I would be interested in the dealer experience and ability to fix problems ratings more.
As long as they stay consistent. i just hope the selling of last 2021 Gen 2.5 Tundra trucks mixed in with the new 3rd Gen ones doesn't fudge the numbers.
My 2 cents.

 

Reliability is something you can only measure in hindsight. To say that a new truck or even a 3-year-old generation is reliable is kind of pointless to me. Don’t start talking about reliability until 100k-150k miles.

And @yooperbikemike, the fact that there are trucks on the lot with incentives right now should tell you all you need to know. Read the reviews closely. The most common positive comments on new Rams is that they like the interior styling. I’m not sure I would base a truck purchase on lots of people saying “the interior looks neat”. Get on the Ram forums, and check out all the weird issues they deal with and how Ram and its dealers handle them. I wanted a Power Wagon enough to create an account on the Ram forum and dig around a bit. I was cured of that desire real quick.

 

What surprises me is how many automotive journalists rank Rams highly and make comments like best in class interior and rides like a car or whatever. Also the ones who tout Fords for whatever reasons, as if they are all better than Toyotas. Then when you go to buy one you could (pre-pandemic anyway) get them $10,00-15,000 below MSRP. There are reasons for that... the reasons you don't see in those ridiculous road test reviews. Main reason is they are unreliable junk.

 

You can't quote one sentence without the second. It changes the meaning I said.

The Ram 1500 trim has the highest current reliability rating. With that said none of the full size pickups have good ratings now that the 2.5 gen Tundra is gone.

That means all the current pickups are bad, and are warranty purchases.
Just saying. And I will say again here that I believe 7/10 buyers are either leasing or financing so it doesn't matter to them
Sales numbers support this. .

 

My comment was more pointing out that all this talk of reliability for new trucks makes no sense. Companies like consumer reports or JD power give reliability ratings for new vehicles that are worth very little because it’s only after a vehicle has endured over time and mileage that reliability can begin to be judged. Those reports are kinda pointless IMO. At best, they show only what bugs need to be worked out, not how long a design is able to hold up under normal use. Unlike Dashboard Light.

I agree with your second statement.

 

I am just a messenger on the ratings. They go back I believe a few years only and probably like I said,
because people just don't keep vehicles that long.
I will leave you this.
You show a '21 Tundra that is still under bumper to bumper warranty.
I have an '18 its bumper to bumper warranty is gone.
I still have more faith in my truck (he knocks on wood) than any new including '22 Tundra full size truck currently made.
The 2.5 gen Tundra was a kind of unicorn. Toyota brought it along, same truck. kept making it - it was a small niche market.
With that - that truck is gone.

There are no Toyota dealers near where I go and if the new Tundra goes down on a turbo problem,
I assume I would be able to still drive it a couple hours, to get it to the dealer ?
Can you still drive at least 50 mph in limp mode ...Anyone know?

 

Update. About 60/40 city/highway. Half this tank give or take has been on trips where the engine was barely warmed up before I stopped. Occasional nearly full throttle runs, maybe 3-5 so far. Hasn’t hit 70 degrees here yet.

 

Pricing strategy has nothing to do with reliability

 

Not sure I agree with this. If brand R is demonstrably less reliable, with higher turnover and buybacks, and people need bigger incentives or longer/more comprehensive warranties to buy brand R vehicles, it seems that those incentives and warranties exist to overcome the hesitation customers have due to knowing that brand R is going to give them headaches over the course of their ownership. While you’re not going to find “non-durability discount” on an itemized window sticker, I think that’s a pretty solid connection between what people wind up paying and reliability (or lack thereof).

Also, Toyotas have historically had much higher resale value because of their durability over higher mileage. It affects what people are willing to pay new and used.

 

Exactly!

 

I shopped trucks pre pandemic, every truck carried heavy rebates and discounts. Albeit the tundras wasn’t as large. I could get ‘20 AT4, RSt, F150 lariat or Titan pro4, and TRD pro for the same price. I just think the big 3 and Nissan do kohl’s type pricing and Toyota doesn’t as much. And all the truck warranties outside of Nissan are identical.

I mean you could also argue if there’re so shitty why are people still buying domestics at the same rate as before without the 5 figure discounts?

 

Because most of the decisions most people make are irrational.

And truck warranties are not identical. I read Ford’s 8-yr warranty cost a lot more than Toyota’s 10-yr. It was like $3k vs $2k or something like that. I’ll try to find it later.

 

Ram - N0.1 in new initial vehicle quality - JD Power

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2021-us-initial-quality-study-iqs

 

You mean initial vehicle quality, as the article says. Problem with Ram is, it declines sharply once you drive it off the lot.

And the “study” they base it on isn’t a study at all; it’s a survey. They ask new owners and lessees questions.

 

better than the 2022 tundra at the moment I would say, but ya, just initial quality

 

Yeah, it's totally dependent on how people answer the survey.

Japanese vehicle buyer: Had a headlight go dead. Least reliable vehicle I've ever owned.

American vehicle buyer: Nope, haven't had any problems. Yeah, that's the engine laying on my driveway. Why?

 

lol, we’ll done!

 

I’m not talking extended warranties. Just factory warranties

Which if you get an extended warranty on a new car you’re a sucker anyways.

 

Well they say the Tundra is the most American pickup right ? Designed and Built.

 

Even factory warranties carry different values. Consider the TRD Pro and the F150 Lariat that you were saying you could get for pretty much the same price. After the warranty expires, which one is worth more? The Tundra.

One way to look at that is, you paid more for the Ford’s included warranty because the Ford is worth less after the warranty expires.

 

"I bought the 9/125k warranty for 1625.00 which made sense to me on a first year rolling iPad."

Everyone I know with an "IPAD" always buys the latest and greatest. They never own one past the basic manufacturers warranty period. They never buy the Bestbuy extended warranty. Not that they are worried about it breaking down, but because they will never own it that long. And that Tundra extended warranty in Canada is $5000.

 

LOL... "initial quality" does not equal durability or long term reliability.

 

I have this so have never bought an extended warranty. The Ford dealer who sold me my Powerboost actually got on the phone with Geico and asked about the coverages when we called to switch coverage over from my Tundra to try to find an angle to convince me the Ford one is better, and was left at a loss as to how to convince me to buy his warranty instead.
https://www.geico.com/auto-insurance/mechanical-breakdown-insurance/

 

I currently own a 2021 Ram 1500 Limited, and I love it. I know there are a ton of Ram haters, and everyone knows somebody whose truck was the biggest POS ever. Or wouldn’t sell a Ram to anyone they care about blah blah blah. For me, I know a couple of guys with Rams and they haven’t had any issues, and so far, neither have I. I’d talk to people you know and trust and see what experience they have had. Just think, some of the gen 3 owners may be first time Tundra buyers. Now, they are having problems, and may sell them. Then, they will be on another truck brand forum telling everyone how horrible Tundras are, just like people do of Ford, GM, and Ram on these and competitor forums

I traded in my 2017 Tundra for the Ram last year to take advantage of my Tundra equity and Ram had 0% financing. To me, it was a no brainer bc I knew the gen 3 Tundra was coming out, and I wouldn’t have to keep the Ram long if I didn’t like it…or it gave me issues. So far, my 14 months of Ram ownership have been great, which is good considering the train wreck of a release the gen 3 is having so far (I never would’ve guessed it). The ride is phenomenal. Granted, I have the Limited trim, so it’s 4 corner air suspension, and I removed the factory 22” wheels and replaced with 295/70/18. But, man, it rides so good. The interior is hands down nicer than anything Toyota has put in a Tundra. I’m a sucker for bells and whistles, and I really like the creature comforts of my Ram. Sticker on my Ram was $71K, got a few grand off and 0% for 72mo. Not sure what incentives they have now, but might be worth giving them a shot.

 

I have a 2021 Ram E-torque BigHorn for my work truck. Only second year, so a little over 20k miles.

Besides the leather seats, LED head lights, and TBD long term reliability, I can say with 100% certainty that my Ram does EVERYTHING else better than my 18 Platinum Tundra.

I drive them both, back to back, every day. Power, ride quality, transmission, auto 4x4, MPG, interior design, etc, etc. The Ram is considerably better than my 2.5 Gen (also have owned 1st and 2nd Gens).

 

Comments like "My 2-year-old vehicle with 17k miles has given me 0 issues!" really make me wonder about the standards people have when it comes to reliability and I'm pretty sure it's the reasoning behind the major disconnect between Toyota truck owners and American truck owners. My 2018 Camry just crossed 100k miles and besides an occasional rattle coming from the dash when I go over bumpy roads, it drives like new. The only non-maintenance work I had to do on it was a clunking noise coming from the suspension at 2k miles but that was due to a loose nut. But besides that, literally no issue whatsoever. Nadda. Nothing. Not trying to cover up anything. I'm serious. Oil changes and tire rotations every 10k and that's literally it.

When I was talking about it with my buddy the other day who owns a Ram 1500, he made it sound like that's an amazing accomplishment I managed to pull off. But in reality, I expected no less. If a vehicle can't make it to 6 years/100k miles without any major issues outside of small factory defects like my loose nut that get resolved before the warranty ends, it's a piece of crap and no one should give it credit for accomplishing such an easy feat. You might as well congratulate a grown-ass man for solving 2+2.

 

I dunno. I've owned several trucks (1995 F250; 2002 Ram 1500; 2004 and 2013 F150; and 2020 Tundra), and literally ALL of them except the Tundra had multiple issues (as in 4+) prior to 30K.