2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I have 2 kids seats in the back of mine. Same setup. My F150 definitely had more room and the flat floor + open space under the seats was a big help. But at the end of the day, I'm never in the back. My wife is never in the back. If I ever really need to, I can just take the seats out. And there are only a handful of times a year that we all load up as a family and the dog to head out for a long road trip. So in the end it's a compromise, but only a small percentage of the time in my case.

 

Is the 6.5 bed Crewmax Tundra too long for everyday? Give me your opinion.
older video but it has good views of the long bed.
in person for some reason it did not look that long the way it was parked.
now not sure anymore.

https://youtu.be/XxT_ivMTQXc

 

So here’s my take, as a primary DD that configuration may be a little much but doable. It really depends on where you live truthfully. That thing would be a PITA as a DD for me in the northeast. However I am blessed to have my Tundra as a second vehicle not my primary. So I would seriously consider that length.

I had the midget bed (5.5) in my Tacoma and it was virtually useless. Personally to spend that much on a truck on not have a fully capable bed defeats the purpose of a full-size (not judging here-only putting perspective on MY lifestyle).

And the way I see it the rear of my current 2.5 gen DC or even the new 3rd Gen DC is light years better (roomier/comfortable) than the vehicles I grew up riding in…they (my children) will survive.

The larger cab would be great with a 6.5 bed…it’s a tough call in my opinion.

 

Good info.
I updated my post to say Crewmax - assumed.
Its my primary vehicle but I no longer commute or go into the city much anymore. Live in the country....so ?

My take is also this for people that do not use their trucks for work. (contractor/construction)
Anyone with a previous DoubleCab - 6.5 bed would not go back to a 5.5 bed Crewmax.
Anyone with a previous Crewmax will have a hard time giving up the Roll Down Rear Window, by going to a DoubleCab.

 

I am envious of that roll down window…

Never owned a Crewmax Tundra so there is definitely some truth to your statement. I just have been more frustrated (much more often) with a lack of bed space vs a lack of interior space. And full-size pickups in general don’t have much storage anyway almost kinda forcing the owners to use the bed more often.

My 2016 Corolla has more storage space than my cousins CrewMax version F150. Nature of the beast I guess…

 

My family say they miss the rolldown window on my Cremax but half the time somebody wanted it rolled up because it was too cold or too noisy or we were going too fast. Pano moonroof makes up for it. I am OK without it, the dog is probably most upset as that was her favorite window and she’s the one that always wanted it open.

I was on the fence about snapping up the long wheelbase truck but with the Nfab front light bar and lights adding several inches on my Tundra it ends up not being much different. But the full 360 camera system makes parking and maneuvering very easy, no more blind spots in tight low speed maneuvers. That is a great equalizer even if the Ford still has a few inches on the old Crewmax after accounting for the light bar and lights.

It has the 6.5 food bed and locking foldable under seat storage with fold up or fold down seats. I can configure for a flat load floor or have a small under-seat compartment to hide and secure my rifle case if I stop for a quick beer and burger on the way home From the range.

As an active family of just 3 we could somehow still easily fill the 5 foot bed and much of the cab of my Tundra if we went away for a week. Especiallly if we took the dog. Some Stuff would be in the footwell cramping my wife’s legs in front or kid’s legs in back.

The extra foot of bed and extra cab storage should make things way more comfortable.

 

I'm interested in the F150 Powerboost with a hirise topper added like a Leer 122. I like good mpg's especially towing and we tow at high altitude. I like onboard wattage and Yota's measly 400W is ridiculous. F150 the minimum is 2kW, then 4kW, then 7.2kW option. I've ruled out the '23 Sequoia, probably consistently better mpg, but would lose the sweet rolldown rear window, the sweet fulltime 4HI, and cargo volume. I'm probably getting way too giddy about the Powerboost though.

 

Another annoying thing about the Toyota AC outlet is that the truck needs to be "on" for it to function.

With the Ford setup, you can turn it on and have it on standby, then you can shut the truck down and lock it. With the powerboost it will even occasionally start the engine depending on how much juice you're using.

I wouldn't even be able to use the Toyota 400w setup in my typical situation, where I could use a little AC power while hanging out in the bed under my Leer cap. I definitely wouldn't want the truck on the whole time.

 

I have the 400W in my Tacoma, it's useless. I think we have used it on a road trip once to power my wife's breastpump when the baby was little. I'm excited about the 2KW on the Tremor.

 

make sure you test one to see if your ok with the clunkiness of the powertrain

 

Powerboost is on the table still if I can find a used one for a good price. Would have to add a hirise topper so that's another $3k. Just something we're considering because MPG. I'm an MPG nerd but also a Toyota nerd and Ford products don't get me all excited. This '19 I think will go 300k miles with regular maintenance. It was built at the Indiana plant where the Gen1 Tundra was built so that plant has a long history for quality builds.

Never had a factory Yota 400W I installed aftermarket 600W PSW inverters. Even those are mostly battery chargers although I've run a travel trailer off of them. I put a low-battery disconnect inline but still had to get out in the middle of the night and start the truck to charge the Group 27 battery. Needed a jumppack a few times also. Toyota should up the game IMO.

Will do. Still in the evaluation stage.

 

On my truck, I also installed a 600w inverter, and I programmed the remote start, that I previously installed, to start the truck if battery voltage drops.
The 600w inverter has a built-in low batt cut-off, but the remote start will usually kick in before that. For the remote start to keep the battery charged, the truck has to have it's doors and hood closed and ignition key removed. The inverter can be on when truck is off. Works pretty good.

 

Having a 2kw or 7.2 is not a bad idea, but at what cost, you need to get the higher trim levels, which start at $65,000 and go up to $85,000.
I will keep my 2.2 kw Honda. Gas for a one cylinder generator is a lot cheaper to run than gas for a 6 cylinder engine.

 

You can get on board power on relatively low trim levels of the F-150. Only problem is, still a Ford.

 

Exactly. Had a new client at work today. He was noticing my Tundra out in the parking lot. Said that's a great truck. I said yeah, it's easy to maintain and I've had zero issues with it. He said he drives a a really nice F150 Lariat. I asked where it is, as I saw him arrive in a Kia. In the shop at the dealer, he says. He took it in because he wasn't getting nearly the advertised fuel economy. Cam phasers, they say, at only 40k miles. He bought it at 35k miles. Tomorrow will be a week of him waiting. They didn't give him a loaner. The Kia is his neighbor's.

The crazy thing–he doesn't seem too upset about it! Like it's kind of expected.

I know it's anecdotal. But all of my anecdotal examples of Ford are total crap. Not worth being lured in by the numbers. That generator sounds nice, but no thanks.

 

Can't really say you're losing the roll down rear window since the PowerBoost doesn't have that.

 

So as an fyi.
Got off the phone with my Toyota and Ford dealers yesterday to get a current status of things.
They both gave me the same stories.

First, my truck with the current used market (Ontario, Can) I am basically driving with no depreciation, as long as I don't put crazy miles on.

Supply chain problems are still brutal, have impacted production. Ford dealer told me for the F150 they are near to closing off orders for 2022's soon, as the retail customer orders outstrip how many they can build. He also said and I quote "steering wheels are in this port, and the power running boards might be in another port. So depending on the models one chooses, others with more simple trucks i.e. .XLT without power running boards....could jump you in the queue". He also confirmed the story of some models going out without features, which when chips arrived, customers will return to have the features activated. Crazy stuff
The Ford dealer said put a 2022 order in now and if time goes by and they can't deliver, the 2022 becomes a 2023, and you jump the queue again, and the 2022 price is locked. He also said he could negotiate the trade in value based on mileage I put on it over summer. (prorated)

Toyota dealer sent me a list of the Tundras (with Trade status-not hidden) scheduled to arrive in Canada over the next 3 months. Even if there was one I liked and wanted - he doesn't have a trade vehicle for the other dealer. So with my situation. the Toyota dealer said the best option at this point is to wait for the 2023 ordering to start, and put an order in. He mentioned Sept.

I am about to start using my truck again regular, and don't like agreeing to a trade value, to have it differ 3-5 months when no one has a crystal ball into 6 months from now. It sounds like it is not going to change much in the next 3-4 months due to supply. Everything points to just sitting tight. Unless the Geo Political situation gets so bad, that Gas Prices and demand changes. There was some "noise" that the situation was getting better, and the Oil Price tanked earlier this week. But the noise proved false, and Oil price rose again. It's up today again. Gas Prices did go down on that "Noise". Maybe a good time to put that Super Gas into your 100 liter 20 foot Bowrider ?
Before prices start going up again ? JMO

 

Look I am pragmatic about potential issues and problems and am not going to take people ragging on Ford personally. Even though Toyota is having initial Qc issues Too I know the reputation of the domestics. I have owned American makes before with varying experiences, my Dodge being horrible and my old Ranger being a solid truck.

On top of the factory warranty Geico covers me bumper to bumper for 7/70. Probably hit the years before the miles, and then decide how much further I want to go based on my experiences at that point. One of the reasons I dumped my Challenger is the shifter was getting a little sticky and that extended coverage was almost up.


Rule of thumb is a vehicle really has to prove itself to me before I keep it past that 7/70, which my Tundra did.

 

Question is regards to the Ford chip thing?

Did they even mention or suggest some type of discount for the possibility of getting an F150 with missing chip(s)??

I read an article about and and basically the way I understand it is that those chips are basically for amenities and not safety features…but still…

If I wasn’t driving a Tundra I would own an F150 but wouldn’t touch the other manufacturers for simply political reasons (citizen’s hard earned cash for sinking corporations). My apologies moderators . But the chip would absolutely make me rethink buying an F150.

Personally I feel that’s a risky move purchasing a truck with “missing parts” knowing how many dealerships work.

 

Wife and I picked up a new 2022 Highlander and 2022 Tundra in early February and the dealer told us it was 10+ months if we tried to place that order 'today.'

Funny story - we ordered our vehicles in early fall last year and they ended up coming in on the same truck, same day. Dealership was dumbfounded since they're built in different plants, in different parts of the USA, with different supply chain issues. We had a good laugh and then I proceeded to feel like a bit of a douchebag rolling out of the showroom floor on a Saturday morning with two new vehciles while people stood and watched. Oh well, them's the breaks.

 

My understanding is for awhile GM has been putting out trucks with disabled ameneties with the promise of dealers installing the chips Later. Ford has decided that’s their best next move. No discount because you will eventually get those features. I’d bet Ford does it the same. Probably got tired of taking heat over the wait times and decided they’d rather start getting more trucks out of storage lots and into driveways.

 

F-150 is such a terrible vehicle. Good thing they only sell a million of them a year.

 

If you order a moderately well equipped F-150 today, I'd bet you next weeks paycheck that it ends up being a MY23. I ordered my Tremor in December and I don't expect it before July. Ordered almost every option so more chips needed but still, even more base levels are taking 5-6 months.

 

The chip situation he mentioned applied to other models - I recall - Escape, Explorer. Not to say it would not hit the F150 in future.
Unless a person's lease is up, or their current ride is giving up the ghost soon...and you need a ride...I can't see taking that vehicle with a promise of features to be added in future. We all know how inter messed all the manufacturers are with the suppliers. (Many shared)
Post Covid, supply chain problem is just making this Auto Assembly Matrix very complex.

 

And BTW Ford has probably avoided doing this because as you say it’s trading one set of headaches for another. They get vehicles into driveways but now those customers are demanding to know when the chips for all those missing features are coming, and competing for limited chips with vehicles you still have to build
Later.

 

We are living in a crazy material world of extremes.
Takes what seems longer (forever) to get a vehicle so they are putting them out uncompleted and people are accepting this.
And the one you are driving is not going down in value.
None of this makes sense - so something is going to have to break.

(Thinking of the guy down in Texas whose truck is being held up because they don't have chips for the heated steering wheel?)

 

Ford is discount like $50 per chip missing with the promise of install later. I believe ford is only doing like luxury control features.

GM is doing the same thing but they are taking bigger hits. No heated and cooled front seats for now, no front parking sensors, no rear hvac controls, some have no rear sliding glass. They are giving credits too with the promise of later install.

 

Yeah, with some mfgs like GM you really need to read the fine print in the ordering configurators to see what might be missing. Theirs generally list the features in a package that are not present or enabled. And then others like BMW have limited some options like the high-end Harmon Kardon audio to certain models. I have been researching PHEVs and the X5 45e got my attention. I looked at some video reviews and visited a BMW forum where I saw a question from a chap looking to buy one. He asked about the HK system and the answer was that BMW doesn't have enough to go around and they can sell this particular vehicle without offering it, so they save those systems for other models, at least for now. Crazy times when you can spend $$$ and not get exactly what you might want.

 

on the topic of chips....

ive notice on the last 2 or 3 allocation waves, there are no TRD's at all... i think toyota cut the availability for now to limit chip use

 

TRD Pro?