Not Impressed.

Stop being so optimistic.

 

They are asking MSRP or a little under and adding 2-3 k for an appearance package with tint, door edge and hood protection etc. I'm looking for a DC and they had 2 last week they called me about.

Yes.

 

In this case of the 2.5 Gen it is not true at all. It was outdated and we still bought them for a different reason. It was a Toyota honest truck, with Toyota reliability. I knew this when I bought mine in 2018 and the person that bought it new in 2021 even more so. It was bought by many because it was a TRUCK....TRUCK. Toyota went away from this and created a TRUCK....SUV with a bed.

Aside from design and function one of big selling features of this new 3rd Gen is the new engine and mileage expectations.

This is not Fuelly, but the Tundra Forum Poll results to date definitely fall in the Not Impressed Category.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/pol...se-post-comments-on-real-world-mileage.99876/



@Summit72
If you like the 3rd Gen alot I would say based on your reaction to stay off the threads where you know the content discussed is going to go against your opinion. Also as a Tacoma owner from your avatar, you are IMO a prime target buyer for Toyota for this 3rd gen. i think this is an excellent strategy since its the best selling midsize.

 

I guess Toyota just doesn't care about guys like you anymore. They've moved on. Should be lots of used 2nd Gen trucks out in the world to keep you happy for a while.

 

Another huge fail on this 3rd gen is the windshield brow. Smaller field of vision and it brows in the middle for some unknown reason. Drove me nuts during my 15 min test drive.

 

Its not that they do not care. Its a business and they did what they did for the shareholders. The shareholders want to see higher dividends and share price. I am a business person so I understand that. One could of bought Ford for pennies at the beginning of the Pandemic.

 

I’m anxiously awaiting my Platinum…I’ve been a small truck owner (Mazda, Tacomas) for 32 years and loved them as daily commuter vehicles and weekend workhorses. We’re not into 4-wheeling but have loved traveling around the USA and Canada in our present 2016 Tacoma Limited. When I first saw pictures of the 2022 I wasn’t that impressed with the appearance but when I saw one in person my impression of it changed…not “beautiful” but classy. The interior is so much nicer than our Limited and, in my opinion, nicer than my daughter-in-law’s 2021 Land Cruiser and my son’s 2021 Land Rover Defender, both of which cost more than my Platinum will.

Now that the “pandemic” is “over” I plan on seeing a lot more of the USA (at age 77 there’s still a ton to see and not a lot of time to do it in) and I believe the Tundra will provide the reliability, space and comfort to allow us to do it in style.

 

Yeah there is some pearl clutching. But there are legit reasons to be disappointed with what Toyota decided to do with this truck 15 years after they debuted the gen 2 out in front of the pack. They sort of half-heartedly addressed the two biggest concerns (payload and fuel economy).

It’s just frustrating for those of us who have had lots of issues with domestics and swore them off. If any other automaker employed Toyota’s manufacturing philosophy and (erstwhile?) commitment to long service life and ease of self-maintenance, it wouldn’t be so disappointing. I’d just hop over to someone else.

 

But that's just it. People love their Toyota's and they don't want to go big 3. They've waited excitedly for years on Toyota to update this platform and address the "shortcomings" everyone has discovered over the last 15+ years - only for the new truck to ignore most of those concerns. After waiting so long only to be let down it's no wonder they vent their frustration here. So now their choice is to keep what they have - which is what many have already been doing while anxiously awaiting release of the new Tundra - or buy a truck they don't want (whether that be this new Tundra or something from the Big 3).

Is it wrong that people wanted so badly for this truck to be better than it is?

 

Yeah, I really wanted one that flies. Or at least has forward facing bazookas.

 

Ok but is 2000 lbs of payload enough to tow 14000 lbs or whatever imaginary number they're up to these days?

 

Many times in traffic I've fantasized about forward facing bazookas. A rear facing one wouldn't be bad either.

 

And the same people piling on over and over again with the exact same post about why they're not buying it multiple times in the same thread.

 

If you are tired of hearing multiple posts about "payload sucks" you better strap in or bail out. We've been complaing about "payload sucks" on the previous gen for years. And about 10k threads on MPG sucks. Complaints ain't gonna stop now with the 3rd gen. Complainers gotta complain

 

People complaining about the new model does not clutter up the forum any more than those complaining about the complainers. The purpose of the forum is to share ideas regardless of their opinion of the gen 3. Yes, you have folks that don’t like the new model, but then you have folks who complain about them. I mean it’s as if their upset that others are not validating their new purchase of the ‘22 Tundra. In the grand scope of things, the price is a LOT and some folks expected more for that kind of coin.

 

For me personally yes the 3rd gen is perfect from what I’m coming from 3rd gen Tacoma. A bit bigger where it’s needed, updated “everything”. Can pull more for the weekend activities and future proof in the sense of kids and so on, no way could I fit a car seat in the Tacoma ( doable but would be very tight). I do think they oriented the new tundra to those who want to “step up” in size but not be overwhelmed even though it is longer than the old gen. To each their own I suppose. 1st year vehicles are going to have hiccups regardless that’s just how it works I don’t think I can think of a vehicle that was “perfect” for all right out of the gate.

 

Lol at “the forum is cluttered with opinions I don’t like”

Depends on tongue weight I suppose.
At 14.29% tongue weight on a 14k lb trailer, you’d begin to exceed payload. At 10% tongue weight, you have quite a bit left over for family members and other gear in the bed. Not sure I’d want to haul 14k with an F150 anyway.

I also wouldn’t be over GVWR with my family in the truck and light camping gear in the bed like I am now.

 

If you liked your Tacoma, you're gonna love the Tundra. It's a great vehicle.

 

So you've been through this before. I recall the torches and pitchforks came out when the "new" Tacoma was released too.

In reality, the teeth gnashing here is pretty tame. I had a Jeep TJ and you should have seen yhe Jeep forums when they announced the JK would be 4 doors and use a mini-van V-6!

Truth be told, I'm glad you guys and gals who like the truck like it and are willing to take a chance and spend the coin buying the freshly released models. It will greatly help Toyota iron out any issues and perhaps learn where to make refreshes on this platform even better. Maybe by the time my '20 wears out the 3rd gen will be perfected.

 

You walked into this thread. The title clearly states “Not Impressed”. What did you expect to find in here? I think there’s room on this forum for positive, negative and neutral opinions on the truck. I guess you feel that negative posts should all belong all on one thread then likely to be kicked to the last page of the forum. Unless members are breaking rules such as name calling, profanity, thread crapping or politics then I think the posts in this thread are just as valid as ones praising the truck. As the other member stated it’s probably healthy to allow people to vent and express their concerns and criticism of the platform. Censorship or locking threads is not the answer.

That’s the misconception with 1500 level trucks now. They are just about as big as 2500 level trucks. For instance a Ram 2500 Crew Cab short bed is 237”. The 2022 Tundra Crew Max short bed is 233” and the long bed is 245” long. Ram wheel base is 149” and Tundra is 145” and 157” respectively. Both are about 79-80” wide. So pound for pound a Tundra CM long bed is actually longer dimensionally than a Ram 2500 short box (6’4” bed). The Tundra may drive “smaller” since it’s lower and they tuned it to drive more like an SUV/car but it’s actually not smaller than a Ram 2500 in some regards.

 

Excited for the Sequoia. Seems like this platform will make for a good upgrade from the previous gen. Also the Sequoia looks great. I'm in the market.

As for the Tundra, I am not impressed. Its Ugly IMO, and lacking in almost every department I care about. I'll be keeping my truck.

 

Like I said everyone is entitled to their opinion so I won't bash anyone who doesn't like the truck. I just disagree with them because I do like mine. It's way more comfortable and has more features than the outgoing model (big surprise) and aside from the lack of front tow hooks and the sound of the V8 there isn't anything I prefer on the previous gen. My opinion isn't worth anything to anyone but myself, like all the opinions posted here. See what fits you and buy that, it's your money.

I have owned every generation of Tacoma and 4Runner, and held off on getting a Tundra because the 1st and 2nd gens just didn't do it for me. The 3rd gen does and I have zero regrets getting one. I drove the 2nd gens, I drove the F150s, and I drove the Rams. I think this new Tundra is finally competitive with them in all areas, while the previous gen ONLY had an advantage in reliability.

Not everyone has the same preference and taste and it's good to hear all opinions, but I think forums and the internet in general gravitates toward the negative side of things.

And before I sound like a total Toyota fanboy, they do fail in some areas. The 3rd gen Tacoma has terrible transmission logic, and I owned two of them. Jury is out on this Tundra but like I said, so far, no regrets

 

Maybe OK is different than PA? Not sure, we have a ton of Subarus and Toyotas where I'm at compared to some other places I'm sure. Probably because of the hilly landscape and our winters.

Also maybe a lot of them are 2wd and that's why they're sitting? It's hard to even find a 2wd truck here

 

I think the new truck looks cool and no doubt up to date on tech, gadgets, interior styling, it looks great. So those who focus on that will love it. Tacoma and midsize drivers will love it, it’s midsize+. But those of us complaining have 2nd or 2.5 gen tundras mostly because it was the beastly and reliable 1/2 ton option and we feel like they wussed out on us. I was hoping it would be as wide as a raptor with more power, more towing, bigger cabin, bigger, badder everywhere, and they kinda turned it into a metro city boy. May very well be good for business, we’ll see, and who knows, I may own one one day but not today.

 

Hopefully, the same dweeb who was in charge of deleting the driver's side grab handle years ago, wasn't promoted to a higher position in design/styling!

 

What vehicle did you come from to get into the 22 Tundra?
The 2.5 Gen Tundra had over the other trucks you mention class leading cab size , the deepest bed, full power roll down rear window = Truck Utility.

 

The trucks I have looked at are 4x4. It could just be that we are closer to the plant.

 

For 2nd gen Tundra owners the '22 was like having your college aged son show up home for Christmas wearing a man bun and handing out PETA memberships as gifts.

Almost noone was saying 'boy i hate this v8'. never heard 'wish this thing would shut off at stop lights'. Don't recall anyone complaining the bed wasn't plastic. Can't find any threads where folks yearned for a lexus type front grill. Surely there wasn't a large number of people saying 'gosh if only my truck looked more like a ridgeline'. Did i miss the threads where folks piled on about how the only way to get a motor to last a long time was put turbos on it? Where's the poll that says 'this interior is just too darned roomy'?

As someone said above it really is just frustrating to see a long loved model go in this direction.

 

After looking at a bunch of vehicles on the highway this weekend, I decided that the front end of the new Tundra looks like a Hyundai Palisade. I understand some of the rationale why cars sold in international markets have to have ugly front ends with huge grilles but I'm not sure why that has to carry over to vehicles that are only for the North American market.

 

That’s like 90% of what people buy a Toyota for. That’s why 4Runners, Tundras, Sequoias, etc, have always retained such high resale values despite poor fuel economy. Pay a bit more at the pump, and enjoy no headaches over the long term. Toyota has developed a unique manufacturing process that is a case study for engineering students around the world. Reliability is a big deal to a lot of people whether they admit it or not. I hope the new gen turns out to be as dependable. I think the hybrid drivetrain could be really awesome.