Hybrid mpg

Straight from the press release back in September (2nd paragraph)

 

We’ve seen the non-hybrid towing heavy at high elevation on TFL and it was effortless according to them. If you’re just maintaining speed while towing on a highway grade, it seems the engine alone makes enough torque.

 

Exactly. Turbos compressing the thin air enable the motor to make close to or full HP at elevation. And the electric motor can't be constantly engaged making power because the battery is small and would quickly be depleted. So, what exactly is it doing, if anything on say, a flat 70mph interstate run? Nothing.

 

Yeah basically nothing on long highway drives. But it should fill in the torque curve in acceleration which I think is the biggest benefit.

 

I'd love to see the breakdown of a turbo V8 MPG vs. this hybrid V6 TT power plant.

No way they couldn't get close or better with the lack of battery weight and running a moderate tune w/ a 10 speed gearbox.

NA V8 Tahoe gets 19 I think.

 

no way this will happen but I would love to see how a new designed 6.2 iForce V8 with the 10 speed would stack up. Thats what I really wanted, but alas, I will test drive the TT 3.4 and see how I like it. Also the 6.2 GM AT 4 which I was told the lifter deal is behind them now.

but shit. at this point lifter = turbo as a far as concerns go.

 

I wonder if the hybrid was a way to boost torque with an MPG benefit. Meaning the driver to go hybrid was never MPG, but boosting their torque numbers.

TFL did say in their last video explaining pricing and fuel efficiency that max MPG was not what Toyota set up the Tundra for, but it was designed for towing.

 

it was totally, but I would rather forget all that and have a NA 6.2.

but thats just me. I will not be buying a hybrid anyways, I don't view the cost, added complexity, loss of storage, etc. to be worth it for the power gain.

its just not there for me for 3400 and I want storage under the rear seat this time.

 

I'd like to pick up a Sequoia in 23. So it seems that I don't have a choice. Current plan is to also keep the 5.7.

 

I don't even want to know what those will cost.

keeping my 16 platinum 5.7 is still on the table as well.

 

My F150 5.0 got 19-21 on the way from SATX to KCMO.

 

Everyone talking about the HP and TQ performance of the hybrid, isn't rendered useless beyond 18 mph?

 

Thats just for EV Only Mode, above 18mph itll still kick in when required to fill in the gaps or assist in the power band.

 

You can cruise in electric above 18 mph. Just not very far. 1/2 a mile at 35 mph maybe.

 

Depends on how much you're paying per gallon.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...GSfBkJ7Vu3RfhEr9ATm30l_yKFzKMb-lZ8gBYYwN2-csg

 

I was very interested in the i-Force Max as my truck is my daily commuter, running kids to sports etc. and would like some better fuel economy if possible. I tow a 5k-6k lb. boat in the summer fairly often and with the new turbo charged engine or hybrid setup I fully expected V8 fuel economy while towing...no problem. However I wanted the investment, added cost of the hybrid, to make some financial sense (payback of 5-6 years max).

To put it another way, if the markup from the i-Force (19 mpg combined for 4x4) to the i-Force Max (21 mpg combined for 4x4) is $3,400 and you average 15,000 miles a year:

Gas at $3.00 a gallon = payback is 15.07 years
Gas at $3.50 a gallon = payback is 12.92 years
Gas at $4.00 a gallon = payback is 11.31 years
Gas at $4.50 a gallon = payback is 10.05 years

and the above payback period does not take into account the time value of money , which would make the payback duration even longer!

I know Mike Sweers has stated that the hybrid is designed for more capability however towing capacity didn't really increase either. I have had great experiences with the Toyotas I have owned, awesome reliability. I was really interested in the hybrid option however I believe they missed the mark with this hybrid and it's disappointing. I will be looking to purchase a non hybrid Tundra.

 

I average 24K a year, so I will just break even. But, I have a company van right now and just going to opt in getting the Sequoia Off Road.

 

Refer to post #277
The point is regardless of price per gallon....it's not worth it!!

 

Hybrid seems to have only been built to give a bump in torque due to the downsize of V8 to V6.

They could of went with lighter battery tech with more capacity, achieving on par numbers or even industry leading numbers. But true to Toyota's business model, they went BASIC build with minimal functionality.

 

The 2019 RAV4 Hybrid uses a NIMH battery, the 2020+ uses LiON with no MPG change. It’ll take a lot more than a lighter battery.

 

Not if you are looking for fuel savings.

However, if your priority is extra power, it very well may be.

I have a 2015 Lexus GS450h F-Sport which is a hybrid version of a GS350. That hybrid addition also was designed for performance and it does not disappoint. Instantaneous torque with zero hesitation and lightning acceleration from ANY speed. If this Tundra is anywhere 1/2 as good with that, to be used as my daily business truck plus those occasional road trips too (many times pulling the boat), I'm in at $3,400. Can't wait!

 

Fair enough- you make a valid point!

 

Hmm. I didn't realize this.

Even if they increased capacity to match the previous battery tech's weight, that would increase W, which should of increased electric powered mileage. Odd that it didn't bump it at all.

Seems like my hypothesis of a 10speed turbo V8 with modern hybrid tech getting significantly higher MPG (15-25%) is flawed.

 

We all have different priorities and preferences. Mine just happens to match up with the iForce Max right now.

With the MPG ratings, really understanding why they didn't call it a hybrid. I think they're waiting for that improvement when feasible on a 'workable' truck (via the solid state batteries).

 

On your first point I guess math is hard? Even the basic TTV6 iForce makes a lot more torque than the outgoing V8.

On your second point we agree. Toyota did this as cheaply as possible and is now trying to charge a premium for outdated tech.

This would be like Milwaukee, DeWalt, or Makita trying to sell cordless tools that run 12v NiCad batteries for a premium price when 20v lithium ion is a thing and can be had for similar money.

 

They could increase the capacity with a LiON in the same space as a NIMH though. The Tundras battery is 1.87 KW? I bet they could bump it to 2.5-3KW? That would help considerably.

 

Battery capacity, voltage, and cooling would need to improve but that’s not the limitation. The motor is only a 48 hp unit so that power needs to increase too.

 

Yeah but lithium ion battery living in the passenger space is bad idea for collisions.