Hybrid mpg

I was hoping for 25mpgs or so with the hybrid, but to be reasonable, we are getting a significant power upgrade with a slight mpg upgrade so it's not horrible. I would like to see it with a bigger battery to get the power and efficiency though.

 

They could of done better though

 

I would say the easiest thing would have been to go with lithium batteries. More power, from less weight. Allow it to run on electric more, then they could've added a more powerful electric motor in there to keep it out of boost more.

 

They could of done better than ford but it's not even close. Ford is faster, better mpg, on board generator, better infotainment and I probably trust ford more they been making Ecoboost for 10 years in a truck. Just my opinion though

 

Quality issues aside, Ford beats it in pretty much all of those areas with the Powerboost. Plus it has tow hooks, underseat storage, onboard generator, etc.

 

The weight is the killer. Tundra battery and motor spec are basically the same as Ford’s. To offset the weight a bigger motor and higher energy density battery would have helped.

 

Buy a Ford...plenty of choices for truck lovers...Me I just want/need a larger utility vehicle. It most definitely won't be my daily driver, so MPG really doesn't matter to me...

 

Well.. I’m out. Not going without the OR package. You add that with “MAX” limited 4X4 and your at 60K!!! For a little xtra power…..F$(K that!

 

I contemplated trading from my current 22 up to a Max but with the new release on numbers. It’s not worth the money IMO. At the same time I’m not the target for that specific truck and why they designed it. Hopefully the Sequoia is worth the hype, we’ve put our Highlander order on hold.

 

Sequoia looks great except for the mess of a third row and that shelf system.

and no tow hooks still

 

I’m ok with it from what I’ve seen. In person, that could possibly change but interior space is more priority, not cargo. It’s literally going to be an overpriced grocery getter for us

oh man!! The great tow hook conspiracy!!! I’m surprised somebody hasn’t gone to a vinyl shop and had them put tow hooks on the front just to get peoples reactions

 

While I am a little bummed the mpgs are lower than I hoped I am still in on the Max. I am coming from a 2012 with a 26 gallon tank and 5.7. Not to mention I have a 6” lift with Toyo R/t tires. Lucky to see 11 mpg’s.

Now the 22’ with a 32 gallon tank and iforce max could possibly get me 22-23 mpgs (stock tires and wheels) is quite a nice bump as I don’t plan to do the lift just a level with some nice road tires and wheels. Don’t need any off-road capability but will need to tow a boat and haul a bunch of stuff and keep it for the next 6-8 years. So for me I am all about the Iforce Max with some nicer interior, a smooth ride, and a little extra giddy up when I want it. The only question will be can I hold out until they get here…. All the new photos of the 22’s are looking really good!!

 

Yeah, glad I’m sitting out this year.

This will give me time to evaluate just how much I want another Toyota given their insane pricing, idiotic packaging/options, and lackluster performance. Reliability and customer service if there is a problem better be fucking stellar… oh wait…. shit.

 

Are all the hybrids available with the 32 gallon tank? I thought they were all 22 gallon only.

 

No the hybrids are all 32.2 gallon tanks.

 

If I would have waited for the Max release instead of jumping into this 22 id definitely go Max. I just can’t justify the swap, unless I could make a little on mine. I did pay sticker.

 

Just watched some of the YouTube hands on reviews.

You have to ask yourself, what's the point? 11 MPG towing at 50% capacity? That's horrendous. ANY truck made in the last 25 years will do that. Power? Any 3/4 ton diesel on the market will trounce the shit out of this hybrid engine. Reliability? Small turbo engines in pickups have proven to be unreliable compared to N/A engines in the same trucks and also have less average longevity. Just ask Ford about that. So what exactly is the point here?

Not trying to pick an argument, I honestly want to know what the point is. Objectively, this doesn't make more power than other engines in trucks, doesn't achieve better MPG than other engines in trucks, and there's no way this is a half-million-mile powertrain. So I wonder what the REAL reason is for this being their only engine?

 

Well with those fuel economy numbers they’re not reducing shit.

 

Well if the amount of work being done was different maybe, but both are pulling duty in a 1/2 ton with more or less identical payload and towing.

 

the question i have is... and the aftermarket tune this to make it better? i would imagine someone could detune it for an eco mode and get 25 mpg for when your not towing


i know the guys were having a hell of a time dialing in turbos on the tacoma and its transmissions programming... but i also had the OFT tuner for my brz which allowed you to swap fuel maps on the fly

 

Almost like having a resident troll.

 

If you don’t mind sharing where you heard that from?

 

Not really sure what the issue is about a hybrid Tundra? When I tow our 10k enclosed trailer with the 6.7 Ford 250 super desiel it gets approximately 10 to 11 mpg depending upon the wind and the grade. The super duty tows better than my Tundra with that trailer and my 08 Tundra gets 5 to 6 mpg with that setup and doesn't handle the 24 enclosed trailer nearly as well. The non hybrid 2022 tundra towed that setup much better than my 08 Tundra and very close to the feel and control we get in the super duty. Mpg was approximately 9 to 10 on avg at 70 mph but dropped to 7to 8 at 75+. The cost of desiel is much higher than the 87 octane so the Tundra was slightly better . The ride quality towing that load was very solid with super duty only shining when the wind got high. I can say without any doubt that the hybrid will shine when towing up inclines and passing and will perform like our super D. The mpg sucks with any Truck when towing heavy high profiles trailers but these new Tundras definitely improve the towing quality, slight improvement in mpg towing, and improvements in non towing mpg. If you want a high mpg in your truck maybe a prius is what you need.

 

My only issue (besides cost) is how toyo is using 25 year old prius gen 1 drive battery technology instead of 2022 technology. (using nickel metal hydride vs say lithium ion or even newer tech other electric/electric assist trucks).

Nickel metal hydride, really??

 

One, I was expecting better MPG's. The second is everyone is carrying on and on about the extra power of the Iforce Max. Correct me if I am wrong (which I have been known to be quite often) but isn't that extra power just coming from the electric motor? Which is coming from the battery? Which is pretty small? In my mind, the truck will only get those numbers when the battery is charged between the 20 and 80% if it is anything like the 22 Highlander hybrid we have(which I would assume they will be using similar programming to keep the batteries charged ideally). I have taken that on long trips and watched the display of when it was putting electric output and I gotta say I was surprised at how random that was when driving down the interstate. I was really surprised about how once we got on the interstate, the battery just hovered around the 20% as it charges better with in town driving. I can't imagine towing something up a big hill with the new Iforce Max and staying at that full Torque and HP. Seems to me the numbers Toyota puts on the Iforce Max need an * next to them explaining you will only reach those power numbers during ideal conditions.

 

It's kind of like a Formula 1 car where the motor can give you a little boost when you need it but then the battery needs to recover the charge somehow to be ready again. I also agree that in highway driving it is going to be hard to do that efficiently since there is no braking. That's why highway MPG isn't better than it is. Maybe the system can pick the most efficient times to do this like under light loads going down hills... if there are any. IDK. And you are correct that the battery is so small that hybrid boost will not last long, especially on long climbs. So in my mind the hybrid is good for 2 things: (1) a little better city MPG, and (2) being able to win a couple of drag races that the standard model would lose. That's about it.

 

Agreed. I don't tow very often but when I do, I could really use and want the capabilities closer to a 3/4 ton diesel than my F150. However, I don't need to tow 13k lbs and definitely don't want the much stiffer ride, expensive maintenance, need for DEF, etc. that comes with an HD diesel truck.

I am the target audience for the iForce Max and it sounds like it will give me exactly what I'm looking for and while not for all, many others as well. Can't wait!

 

I think the difference is the fact the the Tundras engine is powerful enough without the hybrid to drive normally and it will only need a slight assist from the hybrid when needed whereas most hybrids use a smaller gas engine than the regular gas versions do so they need more of the electric assist all the time.

 

And the improvement in city driving is real and significant. Still not what anyone would call great MPG but it does make a Tundra somewhat more plausible and less punishing for those who also use them as a daily driver.

 

My guess is that they didn't want to sandwich the battery between the cab and the frame like the Ford Powerboost for both temperature considerations and future repair access reasons too. You wouldn't want lithium ion in the cab and while losing the rear under-seat storage with Toyota's approach, given today's technology, it's hard for me to argue with this setup right now.

Although, in 2025 when they start rolling out the solid state batteries, the game will change. Since they are so much safer and provide much better capabilities overall than lithium ion, maybe they'll even release a replacement pack for the iForce Max. Not banking on it but I could see the possibility and that would extend my use of this truck even further.