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Turbo issue

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Lowcountry4x4, Jan 9, 2022.

  1. Jan 30, 2022 at 7:45 PM
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    texmln

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    Nope, it's not this at all. Quite the opposite actually. It's that turbos have been around for about 100 years already so we have a long history of them causing trouble in automobiles and more than a few of us on this board have plenty of personal experience with the disasters that turbo engines have historically been. That makes us wonder why the company responsible for building the most reliable vehicles in the world would put a turbocharged engine into what might be argued is their MOST reliable vehicle to replace what might be their most reliable engine ever. (Well, we actually know exactly why they did it but we're not allowed to say it on this board).

    CLEARLY it's not because they've perfected it since it is failing right out of the gate. If the company responsible for building the most reliable vehicles in the world for decades can't make a 100 year old technology work on a new model they've had YEARS to develop then just how good do you think this is going to go from here on out? We've said all along it would be problem since it was first mentioned but were told we're uninformed idiots. Then, when EXACTLY what we said would happen takes down brand new trucks - some within 24 hours - we're STILL uniformed idiots. Now we're saying it's going to keep happening and, no surprise, we STILL don't know what we're talking about.

    Seems like all of the evidence so far points to turbo engines being a problem even for the world's best automaker. If tubocharged engines were the magical, cheap and reliable solution to power, emissions and MPG they are now claimed to be then they would have been on every car engine since they were invented. They haven't been because they're an unreliable gimmick that cause more trouble than they're worth when used in gasoline powered cars. But what do we know? Let's ask the guys with their brand new Tundras in the shop for wastegate problems.
     
  2. Jan 30, 2022 at 8:01 PM
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    Read this

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/202...lems-and-truck-shut-off-while-driving.100922/
     
  3. Jan 30, 2022 at 8:04 PM
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    Honestly that's all I could take of the screed.

    On and on and on and you don't even want a '22. Why do you even care?! It's beyond comical at this point.
     
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  4. Jan 30, 2022 at 8:06 PM
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    Another one:

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  5. Jan 30, 2022 at 8:22 PM
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    winchester44

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    Nothing inherently unreliable about a turbocharged engine beyond the additional complication. Ordinarily I’d take a turbocharged Toyota any day over a normally aspirated from most other manufacturers.

    What is troubling is how long it’s taking for Toyota NA to pin down the problem, there are only a relative handful of potential causes. I’m worried the PR team has overruled engineering. The reports of how they are treating their best first in line customers is pretty damn disappointing too.
     
  6. Jan 30, 2022 at 8:55 PM
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    I'm not sure you're allowed to tell like it is here. There seems to be so many who drank the Toyota coolaid and whatever they produce they will defend it to the death. Diesel turbos seem to perform ok due to low temperature. But how many gas turbos make it 300,000+ miles? I saw someone on here say I don't really mind the $5000 turbo repair cost I just don't want my family stuck in the middle of nowhere. Who has an extra $5000 that they don't mind p!ssing away on a poorly designed turbo? Well, I'm glad they are rich or don't value money like I do but don't presume to tell me that it's ok for the most reliable car company in the world to produce a sh!tty product on the name of their reliability. I'll buy a 6.2 Silverado and save $10,000 before I give that kind of money to a company pushing turbo garbage on us and hoping their years of prehistoric car technology mated to reliable and boring underperforming powertrains will persuade us to accept a truck with p!ss poor reliability. There is a major problem with these trucks. I know a lot of you paid over msrp and are waiting for the truck to be made and shipped but the one main thing that I and others were so worried about screwing up has actually screwed up big time. The production has been cut in half and they blame covid. At the same time their turbos are sh!tting the bed!
    I have a new 4runner on order and have loved Toyotas since the mid 80s. But I'm not a fanboy who will get behind everything they build and defend it. I wouldn't own a new Corolla because it drives like a Latvian Wheel barrow. Toyota isn't God, they screwed up. If They just came forward and were honest about the issue I would have more respect for them. One thing I will guarantee, the new twin turbo will never last 500,000 mile+ like the previous model. The turbo is planned obsolescence while they prepare for the NWO and all electric vehicles everywhere. It's not meant to last like the old school Toyota engines.
     
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  7. Jan 30, 2022 at 8:58 PM
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    So all the Toyota vehicles sold internationally for many years now that utilize turbocharging are unreliable? You do realize Toyota sells cars and trucks all over the world right?

    Hell the Toyota Hilux has had a turbocharged engine available since 1982. The Land Cruiser has had a turbocharged engine variant since 1985. Those are unreliable because of turbos?

    Hmmm that will be news to the rest of the world.
     
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  8. Jan 30, 2022 at 9:02 PM
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    Are these diesel or gas engines? As far as I know the majority of Hilux and Lc turbo engines are diesel and very reliable and not emissions compliant with the US.
     
  9. Jan 30, 2022 at 9:13 PM
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    This is the why the Tundra became what it is today and why this thread even exists.

    Toyota doesn't want to do this, but they have to. Those Hilux design philosophies won't pass here.

    It's why Toyota never brought a diesel to this market. They know better.
     
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  10. Jan 30, 2022 at 9:15 PM
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    Not sure what you’re talking about. Diesel turbos can routinely hit temps equivalent to a gasoline turbo.
     
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  11. Jan 30, 2022 at 9:17 PM
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    Was there at JN Friday and they have three identical black CM Platinums with the long beds and tow mirrors sitting together. The salesman told me they were sold to Bassmasters for their sponsorship trucks.
     
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  12. Jan 30, 2022 at 9:55 PM
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    They are Diesel engines.

    High exhaust gas temperatures kill turbos, and cause other damage. Gas or diesel doesn’t matter, EGT’s are kept in check or they’re not. If they aren’t then bad shit is going to happen to that engine.

    Toyota is between a rock and a hard place with the Tundra and other large vehicles. EPA emissions standards are cracking down on NOx and particulates. Unfortunately V8 engines do not do well with either even when fuel economy can be improved.

    The Big 3 utilize cylinder deactivation to improve fuel economy and emissions. The 5.0L Ford has it now. Even Honda on the Ridgeline.

    Within a few years NOx emissions standards will be almost impossible for current V8’s to pass.

    So if Toyota kept a naturally aspirated V8 it would probably have cylinder deactivation. Which we know kills engines way faster, and more frequently than bad turbos.

    Pick your poison. I’ll take turbos and frequent oil changes over displacement on demand and wiped out camshaft lobes, out of round cylinder bores, warped heads, and full engine replacements.
     
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  13. Jan 30, 2022 at 9:57 PM
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    There's really no other choice - I don't have a truck and need on this year.. Until one of the big three proves reliability, I just have this tundra to fall back to and hope that the turbo issue isn't widespread. Don't really care about the 500k, I just need it to last 200k, a number that is unattainable through the big 3.
     
  14. Jan 31, 2022 at 3:44 AM
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    Fixed it for you :cheers:
     
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  15. Jan 31, 2022 at 4:38 AM
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    You forgot the 3rd category: those who said “no f**king way am I buying a truck with a turbo charged gas engine!”.
     
  16. Jan 31, 2022 at 5:24 AM
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    Not that most can't afford a '22 or jealous, but that they are content with what they have...more like the ones that now have a '22 are trying to justify their decision of now owning a '22 with all the known issues the '22 is having...period!
     
  17. Jan 31, 2022 at 5:53 AM
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    I wouldn't say that is unattainable through the big 3...there are plenty of trucks out there from the big 3 with 200k on them. I would venture to say there are probably more trucks from the big 3 with 200k than there are total Tundras in existence. But I get the gist of what you are saying. Buy one of the HD trucks with a gas engine, every one of those that they are putting out, can put up big mileage with minimal fuss.
     
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  18. Jan 31, 2022 at 6:01 AM
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    I hope you have good luck with that. I sold a 6.2 RST for this. I had the truck 25k miles and EVERY one of them has a rear window leak. make sure to get hat fixed before it's a huge issue and the headliner goes. Most are seeing the lifters go within the first 20k miles. Mine not only saw that issue, but then burned 2.5qt of oil in the last 5k miles I owned it. I did like the options and features of the vehicle, but the 2022 tundra has all the tech that truck had and a few other features I liked with proven reliability. The difference with the lifter issues and the turbos is I trust Toyota to make good on any issues. With the rear window leak alone my truck was in the shop 15 days (takes about 2 hours to fix)... and Chevy gives NO LOANER CARS. I had to use my other car (luckily I had one). The service department was definitely lacking in the customer service aspect.

    With a recall, Toyota has returned my cars with a full tank of gas and given a loaner and I know they made it right. With GM I just hope they acutally fixed it. That's the difference.
     
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    LOL... I guess it's a slow news day for real information about the 2022 turbo issue... so all the turbo haters have come out to play. IMO, This is going to end up being a great motor after a few growing pains... that I will let the early adopters take for the team.
     
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  20. Jan 31, 2022 at 6:34 AM
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    I have cylinder deactivation on my 2016 Vette 6.2 L. It is a fantastic engine and I haven't had any lifter issues... but I am very leery of that system since so many folks do seem to have lifter failures. The automatic trans guys, who can't deactivate the system, seem to also have torque tube failures that might be attributed to the on and off DoD forces which would happen very frequently in city driving. IDK. But luckily my car is a M7 manual and you only have cylinder deactivation in the Eco drive mode which there simply is no need to use since I get 28 MPG in Tour mode on the highway. So I tried Eco mode once and it worked and was pretty unobtrusive. But that was a few years ago.

     
  21. Jan 31, 2022 at 6:38 AM
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  22. Jan 31, 2022 at 6:55 AM
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    I'm afraid you nailed it. @raylo - and I say that with regrets...

    Better chance than not I'll be pulling out of my 1794 deal - Ford's Powerboost twin Turbo rolled out last year seems to be, comparatively, a gem - and continuing again this '22 model year.
     
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    It is human nature for the ones who bought a 2021 to hate the 2022, to pat themselves on the back for their "good decision". Similarly for those who bought the 2022 to say "everything's gonna be alright" to validate their decision. It's ok, people do that. I only wish people would stick to the facts and not exaggerate their position (and wildly overstate opinions as facts). All the crap makes is more difficult for those of us who are trying to learn or monitor what is going on. And this should be the thread to do that.
    Or more succinctly stated: "Haters gonna hate, and love is blind, but less patting yourselves on the back on this thread, please."
     
  24. Jan 31, 2022 at 7:53 AM
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    I'm very happy with mine, along with most here that actually own the truck. The majority of the complaints are from previous generation owners that don't own one.

    We can make a great deal here....Those who own the truck don't need to justify their purchase and those that don't own the truck don't need to justify why.
     
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    For people comparing temperatures of diesel exhaust to gas exhaust:

    Diesel burns hotter than gasoline.

    From my understanding, the reason diesel exhaust is typically cooler than gasoline exhaust is simply down to a diesel engine's efficiency and increased air. When you say a gasoline engine's exhaust is hotter, you're comparing naturally aspirated gasoline engine to a turbocharged diesel engine.

    In your comparisons you need to take a diesel engine that gets ~20mpg and compare it to a gasoline engine that gets ~20mpg (like the 3.0L diesel in the Ram. 1500 and 3.5L turbo in the Tundra). Unfortunately I can't find any information that accurately compares the two exhaust temperatures, but I bet they're pretty similar.
     
  26. Jan 31, 2022 at 8:05 AM
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    A lot of modern diesels have EGT sensors.
     
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    is that the LT4 or LT5? didn't know the MT could turn off cylinder deactivation....
     
  28. Jan 31, 2022 at 9:40 AM
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    Pretty spot on. But a lot of people are just mad at the change overall. It didn't have to be this way. They wanted the updated interior, the locker, screen tech, a few other new things paired with the old tried and true drivetrain (or at least have it be an option).

    Compare this to when ford introduced a brand new, old tech, pushrod 7.3 V8 a couple years ago for Superduties.

    I suppose it's the fate of all half tons and we're just coming to terms with it. The Hemi is going to be replaced by a straight 6 turbo.
     
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    I have a 2016 C7 Z51 with LT1 motor, not the supercharged Z06 LT4 but I believe that works the same. Yup, MT only has DoD in Eco mode. Many AT guys buy the Range OBD plug-in device that can disable DoD.

     
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  30. Jan 31, 2022 at 10:55 AM
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    Awesome, good to know.
     

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