I’m already sold on the 2023 Sequoia, thanks to the 2022 Tundra.

I was going to say - I had the opposite experience with a Ford V8 - didn't even have 60k miles and had to replace the whole damn motor cause of poor oiling (something they knew about for...years) - unfortuneatly we were the 4th owner of the truck and previous owners seemed to not have done the regular schedule maintenance.

NA vs boosting is an age long debate. I think both the Coyote V8 and the EB have their place and people like what they like. Having experienced a Ford V8 vs the EB - I wouldn't go back to the V8. The EB has been a great engine - easy running - no problems. Now, maybe at 100k+ my tune might change, but at least that would be more miles than I got out of a Ford V8 (to be clear talking the triton - I literally sourced out a '14 BECAUSE I wanted something simple for something long lasting/less moving parts - cost me an extra $6k in the end + plus hassel and rental cars). In the end - a boosted motor will do more efficient work than an NA - but there's also more moving parts to keep maintained - so as long as a person ACTUALLY FOLLOWS the factory maintenance schedule, you should be "ok". I just find it amazing how many people ignore the maintenance schedule on vehicles and chalk it off to "they just want more money." If that's what you want to think - enjoy falling apart unexpectedly on the side of the highway on a road trip with 3 kids on the side of the road.

 

I think on an Ecoboost, you can't change your oil too soon. Maybe with the latest API SP oils that may not be true, but I change mine at 5k. I would do the same for the Tundra/Sequoia simply because its virtually the same motor with the same technology.

Of course, 5k is like 9 months for me so its not a huge deal. Im sure it would be a little annoying for people going 20k a year.

 

Oh interesting. That must be new for 2021. So then I would expect it to make 375hp on 87 like hte 2017-2020's then. This is how they were doing the Expedition. The regular trims were 375 hp on 87, then the Platinum was rated on 93 for some reason and made 400 with the same motor.

Either way, they make about the same power to the wheel on 87 as the Tundra does on 93. And You will still gain about 100hp if we can ever tune the 2021+ F150's.

 

When I had an EB I did mine at 5k as well regardless of what oil life said. It was always pretty dirty. Anything forced induction/oil cooled I would do the same.

The premium fuel requirement is one reason why I'm not excited about anything Lexus or the EB HO motors. The fact my wife's GX requires it boggles me. I know there is a lot of debate about using premium in a boosted motor regardless of what the manual says. When it was 0.20 more for premium, that wouldn't be a big deal, but now it's 0.60-1.00 more per gallon that adds up.

 

Yes, the solid rear axle was a must for me because the previous Sequoia even with barely any cargo or people in it looks like it always wanted to take a shit by squatting in the back with the topside of the rear wheels awkwardly pointed inwards.

 

Interested if the 3rd row will be removal. The platform is absolutely terrible for dogs which is one of the real perks of a large SUV.

 

That isnt too bad. I actually like the shelf system. For example, if I were to throw the dogs in the back, they can sit on the shelf and I can put leashes and all the other crap I might have under there and then the dogs don't have to be surrounded with all the crap we bring along.

 

It's not just the lack of room for third row passengers, the space with 3rd row folded down looks tiny compared to the last version which we stuff to gills with family of 4 and large dog. This needed independent rear suspension to at least match the cargo room of the outgoing version IMO.

 

The EB HO motor doesn't need premium. Well it does to hit the power numbers they advertise, but if you don't care, don't run it. The HO had a lower compression ratio than the regular 3.5 and probably would handle 87 even better. Now the two are the same compression ratio I believe, but either way, it can run 87.

Same with the GX. It's the same motor as the Tundra which is 87 rated. Tons of people on GXOR run them on 87

 

Yeah that must be it. I think this was the case since they upped the power from 375 to 400 in 2021. Tundra’s V6TT basically makes slightly more power (+14 hp) but the truck weighs between +300-500 lbs so the Tundra really loses out in a drag race.

I drove one of the first year EB Raptors running 87 and then running 93. Night and day performance difference. You can certainly run 87 in anything but you lose so much power especially if the baseline is 91 or 93.

 

For my needs it'll be fine, we're a family of 4 and use the space for loading cargo more than anything. We still usually travel with a rooftop carrier so there's not so much stuff in the vehicle in the event my wife or I feel like crawling back there to help the kids. The third row in every vehicle has really been something we've used for to ferry an extra person or 2 along with us for day trips or running the kids around. I think IRS & full time AWD would have been nice to have on the Sequoia to keep the extra space, but it's not a deal breaker and with the new features I'm still 100% on board. We gave up a ton of tech for the current vehicle, but wanted the towing capacity since we realized that in a world with Covid, being able to load the vehicle, attach a travel trailer and get outside for longer trips was something we valued that wasn't a part of our lives as much before

 

Agreed, just look how much room the Wagoneer has which a lot of people are going to compare against.

 

So what you do is these things known as Timbrens, Sumos, Firestone airbags. Solid rear axle cuts into the rear cargo space.

 

Strait from Ford:

 

After you pointed out the third row being so close to the hatch it had me curious. I just went to YouTube and sure enough videos are emerging. A full grown 6’3” man can fit in the third row with it slid all the way back. They slide back and forth like the second row of the mid size SUV’s!! I used to be in automotive and since all these new bodies have emerged, I haven’t been in them to compare. From my wife’s Durango to the Highlander we lost some size. Based on what I see, the Sequoia will be our next buy (once pricing is available) and I’d want the Premium SR5. We currently have a 22 Windchill Pearl Highlander on order, but we’ll be placing a hold on that. Her 21 Blizzard Pearl works just fine for now LOL.

 

I have only one kiddo, so the 3rd row isn’t a huge priority for day to day ops for me.

 

The way the rear seats fold, looks like you have to "relift" items if you don't deploy the platform, with your arms outstretched, awkward and possibly hard on your back. And if you do deploy the platform, you have to lift higher and have less vertical room.

Sad thing is, most who buy this thing would seriously be better off with a minivan. Those of us who need a useful SUV....I dunno!

 

I can see this working well for some families. Increased MPG, power, better styling, updated tech vs. the dinosaur that is the gen2, etc. I use a large roof box as well on our '13 which I bought new.

As a vehicle that must work well in winter as a ski vehicle for us, and with the increased level of gear, the new configuration just doesn't look to have enough cargo space. Even a normal ski day we are pretty full with the beast dog in the back. Our last multi-day trip north to Whistler left us with zero extra space. I just don't see solid rear axle as a plus vs. the significant loss in space.

I've thought about going longer with a suburban, expedition, etc. but really liked the features/reliability of the current sequoia and was excited to get this new release, but now I am likely going to look elsewhere or make a long bed tundra with a topper work.

I know i've already mentioned it, but the loss of the torsen center diff lock, i.e. 4wd and and option for AWD was pretty sweet vs. the Tundra's system. Yeah rear locker is nice too which the new one gets.

 

Get to work.

 

Shit we are both over 40 now, not sure the risk is worth it. As it is having a 4 year old boy to keep up with is enough.

 

Fair enough. One of mine is a 4 yr old boy as well.

 

He’s a lot of fun, but damn…. I think he is made from pure energy!

 

No full time 4wd!? What a shame... Love that feature on our first gen. For winter driving (especially for my wife) having the AWD mode is huge. Don't have to worry about whether or not you should be in 4wd and constantly shifting back and forth.

Also I personally would rather see IRS with air adjust, better ride and more interior space as we'd use this primarily as soccer mom car.

Will need some time on price and reliability before I get into one though.

 

A catch can is an absolute must as well on these engines.
I did 5k Amsoil oil changes on my Ecoboost Expedition El.

I would go to guess a catch can will also be a must on the new Toyota V6TTs.

 

Uhhhh I do 5K oil changes on everything…. am I missing something here?

 

Just the fact that the 5.7 is available for it makes it a good buy.

 

i can’t believe they took away the rear sliding window smh

 

Funny that the Toyota website still has pictures listed as "Coming Soon".

 

2023 Toyota Sequoia Arrives with a Standard Hybrid Powertrain
Toyota's full-size SUV shares a platform with the new Tundra, but the only engine choice is the 437-hp twin-turbo 3.4-liter V-6 hybrid.



BY CONNOR HOFFMAN
JAN 26, 2022

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38857490/2023-toyota-sequoia-revealed-hybrid/

• This is the 2023 Toyota Sequoia full-size three-row SUV, and it shares many components with the 2022 Tundra pickup.
• It comes standard with the iForce MAX hybrid powertrain with a twin-turbocharged 3.4-liter V-6 that produces a total of 437 horsepower and 583 pound-feet of torque.
• Arriving in the summer, it'll be available in SR5, Limited, Platinum, TRD Pro, and Capstone models starting at around $50,000.

Toyota is revamping its ancient body-on-frame offerings with technology from the modern era, including better interiors with massive touchscreens, coil-sprung rear suspensions, and more efficient powertrains. The 2022 Tundra pickup arrived first, aiming to capture a larger share of the full-size-pickup market dominated by Ford, Chevy, and Ram, and now the new 2023 Sequoia full-size SUV is here with similar upgrades. And it only comes as a hybrid.


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Like the new Tundra, the Sequoia is built on Toyota's TNGA-F platform, but it's shorter in length compared with the full-size pickup. This platform also underpins the new global Land Cruiser and Lexus LX, but the former isn't sold here anymore. The Sequoia now uses a solid rear axle instead of an independent setup like the previous-generation and the Chevy Tahoe, Ford Expedition, and Jeep Wagoneer. Rear air springs and adaptive dampers are available, and the off-road-oriented TRD Pro model has 2.5-inch Fox dampers with internal-bypass chambers and remote reservoirs and 33-inch Falken Wildpeak all-terrain tires.

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Unlike the Tundra, which is available with a nonhybrid twin-turbocharged 3.4-liter V-6, the Sequoia comes standard with the iForce MAX hybrid setup. It has an electric motor between the twin-turbo V-6 and 10-speed automatic transmission that’s powered by a roughly 1.5-kWh nickel-metal-hydride battery pack. This combination provides 437 horsepower and 583 pound-feet of torque.

Toyota hasn't announced fuel-economy estimates yet for the Sequoia or Tundra hybrids, but Sequoias can tow up to 9000 pounds. That's 600 pounds more than the Chevy Tahoe's max rating but less than the Ford Expedition's and Jeep Wagoneer's. To help with hauling, a towing technology package adds a trailer backup guide, and towing mirrors and a surround-view camera are available.

The Sequoia's grille is somewhat downsized compared to the Tundra's. It's about 10 percent smaller than the pickup's, since it's not a single-frame look, but the rest of the front end is shared with the pickup, including the headlights. We think the Sequoia's best angle is the rear three quarter view, which shows the thin taillights that complement the lights in the front. Among the exterior color choices are Lunar Rock and Supersonic Red.

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Interior improvements first seen on the Tundra carry over into the Sequoia. An 8.0-inch touchscreen is standard on the SR5 model, but the large 14.0-inch touchscreen is available as an option on that trim on it and standard on the rest of the lineup. A 12.3-inch digital gauge cluster is standard, along with wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto capability. It offers either a second-row bench or captain's chairs, and the third-row bench seat can slide up to six inches and fold down to fit in an adjustable cargo shelf.

When it goes on sale this summer, the Sequoia will be available in SR5, Limited, Platinum, TRD Pro, and Capstone (a fully loaded, luxury model first introduced on the Tundra) models with two- or four-wheel drive available. A TRD Sport package is available on the SR5 model that adds black TRD wheels, Bilstein dampers, and other TRD accents. Newly available on the Sequoia SR5 and Limited models is a TRD off-road package, and it adds a locking rear differential, Bilstein dampers, black 18-inch TRD wheels, Multi-Terrain Select off-road drives modes, and off-road cruise control.

The 2023 Toyota Sequoia will be built alongside the Tundra at Toyota's factory in San Antonio, Texas. Pricing is expected to start close to $50,000 and reach around $70,000 for the fully loaded Capstone model.