Hybrid mpg

The TRX is also on 325/65R18's and down 15+% on power though. I bet that would be a different race if you lived at the lower elevations that the rest of the world does, and certainly if the TRX was also a mid-sized truck on 32" allseasons that weighed 1000 lbs less than it does.

The Rivian is cool, but it needs all of the those 835 hp to make its 7200 lbs fast.

I mean the TRX could barely beat andre's powerboost a few weeks ago.

 

Put a max load trailer behind the Rivian and do a 300 mile towing test. Pick any midsize or 1/2 ton truck you like in comparison. See which one makes the 300 mile finish line first.

 

I still want to see it illustrated, not everyone knows what would happen.

 

Most consumers don’t pay attention.

 

While adding exponentially to the expense of RV costs.

I support that.

As someone who hates RV’s with the intensity of 100,000 burning suns I want them so expensive no one can afford one. That way I never have to see another one on the road dawdling along like a moron blocking traffic.

 

21.2 MPG, that's not very promising

 

It's actually 21 which is then translated to Canadian units.

That's a 10% boost over the standard engine, which seems quite good to me. The Ford hybrid is listed at 23 MPG (vs 20 non-hybrid) and it gets similar power and torque gains. The Ford gets no where near its EPA rating in the real world, but that isn't surprising. Consumer Reports had the Powerboost getting 20 MPG in their driving cycle, vs 15 for the old Tundra, 19 for the Tacoma, and 19 for the F150 with 2.7L Eco. They didn't test the 3.5L Eco, but I suspect it would get 17 based on relative differences from other tests. So a little bigger hybrid increase vs the Tundra. The Ford also has more cool features added with the hybrid.

Anybody know what the Tundra hybrid upgrade will cost? In 100k miles you'll save ~$2,500 in gas, so if it's around that... it's basically a free power upgrade at the expense of complexity.

 

You know it’s okay to say the hybrid is disappointing. We won’t judge you.

 

I’ve been getting 20-22 every time I drive my truck to work. 50 mile trip each way, mostly rural roads 55-60 MPH. 22 Limited 4x4

I get 17-19 if I drive like a teenager borrowing dads truck while driving around my small beach town.

 

K, hear me out. I have no proof, no rumors, no “insider knowledge” just an idea…
The 2022 hybrid numbers are weak sauce because Toyota is still doing R&D on their “real” world beater hybrid.

2025 Tundra Prime. (Plug in)

Upgraded battery from nicad to lithium ion or better. 7.4kwh or more.

Electric only range of 15-25 miles.

Choosable modes elec only, eco, power or sport.

Current setup is for power when towing to give better overall mpg. 2025 setup is doable, in line with electrification goals. CAFe standards and people progressing to plug in.
Gasoline is also very likely to be $6/gal here in CA.
In all honesty, I can see the after market companies stepping up to upgrade battery packs and offer “tuning” for mpgs.

I had planned to order a TRD Pro or 4x4 Platinum hybrid this April for me birthday present & side biz investment.
Not so sure now since payment free is a truly a wonderful feeling.
Plus my 2017 audio upgrade is happening next month.

 

I read your post and then I looked at your avatar…I’m not sure how to feel about your “ideas.”

 

LOL.

IM not sure about you R&D comment. They just went with the cheap and available batteries. I hope they upgrade them and provide other options by the time the 2024s come out. Solid state batteries would awesome but a dream for 2024.

 

According to this TFL video at 11:40, fuel efficiency for hybrids will be released February 1st.

 

Would rather be disappointed now than later, come on Toyota.

 

the highlander has the same size of battery as the tundra. obviously the highlander is smaller and is optimized for mpg.
it goes from 21/29 mpg to 36/35 hybrid. Tundra is 18/23, I expect the hybrid to be somewhere around 25/24. Hopefully 26/25 and I'm sold.

 

Highlander is a parallel-series hybrid which is way more efficient than a parallel hybrid like the Tundra. The leaked 21-22 mpg combined seems more likely in my opinion. The big improvement will definitely be city mpg.

 

You can't compare the standard Highlander hybrid to the non-hybrid and project MPG gains to Tundra on that ratio because the standard 'Lander is a V-6 with multi speed trans and the 'Lander hybrid has a much smaller 4 cylinder engine and CVT. So it's base MPG would have been a lot better already without the hybrid setup. IOW you can't use a similar multiplier for Tundra that has the same ICE powerplant for its hybrid version. Tundra MPG gains will be minimal.

 

Same but only the pro, 23 combined for other trims.

 

That'd be my ~guess, too. But just a guess.

 

There’s 2WD iforce max. I think there will be separate ratings for Pro, non-pro 4WD, and 2WD.

 

I was in a similar boat, go for the 2022 or stick with the 2021. The break even point on cost is why I went with the 2021 model. Granted I got mine for 1k off MSRP and assuming the 2022s would as well (but I’m our current situation no guarantee’s). Averaging 10k miles per year means that the 2022 saves around 240gal vs the 2021. Average the cost of gas around $4/gal you get about $950. Since the 2022’s are averaging $12.5k more expensive per the dealership near me. Means that the break even point where the 2022s save you money from the fuel economy is about 13 years. So for my money I went with the immediate savings (and some other reasons) of the 2021.

Long story short, if money is the deciding factor I think it’s the smart choice to take the immediate savings or at least give it a consideration when making your decision

 

Is there any other way to drive?

 

They don’t but when there’s enough of a difference the manufacturers have to show fuel economy numbers for specific trims. For example, F150 Tremor, Silverado AT4, RAM HFE.

 

Good info on the Highlander but I'm still sticking to my 25/24 prediction on the Tundra. Look the highway miles or 23 already, there will be a bump there because even in a highway test the truck will use the electric motor from 0 - 18 MPG. City miles is where most of the improvement will come. 23/24 at the very least.

 

Do you mean 0-18 mph? The truck can use the electric motor at any speed and it acts to fill in torque when required. I’ve read some Toyota information that says it will run on electric only up to 18 mph, maybe that’s what you’re referring to, but that seems wrong to me honestly. It could probably cruise up to 35 or 40 mph in electric alone but only for a short distance. From personal experience, F150 Powerboost can maintain 50 mph on flat road in electric only mode.

 

25/24 maybe possible. But you just have to wonder how much can be done with such a small (~18KWh IIRC) cheap metal hydride battery in a 6000 pound truck. This is a mild hybrid and the battery is sooo small that it can only provide boost for so long... and not long... before the system needs to recharge it somehow whether under braking or not. For instance the e-bike I built has a 1.2 KWh battery (although only 52V) and me and it weigh about 75 pounds all in. But I'll take any MPG it can give, that is if the cost doesn't totally erase any fuel savings.

 

Lol dude both F150 and Tundra have less than 2kWh battery. F150 is 1.5 kWh and Tundra is 1.9 kWh.

Ain’t no way possible the Tundra can beat the F150 numbers. The main reason is the F150 is so much lighter than the Tundra. That pays huge dividends in the way the EPA certifies fuel economy.

 

LOL... my failing memory had that battery capacity off by a factor of 10! Tiny battery indeed.

 

I think Prius is even smaller. Then you have Hummer EV with 200 kWh and only 300 mi range (@9000lbs vehicle weight)