2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I probably have the strangest reason for hating Ford.

I used to live in Wuxi, China. Back in the early 2000's Ford built a parts manufacturing facility there. The parts were for the Ranger (the old one was still being made) F series and Super Duty.

That doesn't sit well with me, there's a bunch of reasons why US companies manufacturing in country that points nukes at us doesn't sit well with me, and some of y'all may defend it... please don't.

So, that being said. The 6MT in the mustang gt is Chinese. Many other parts of the mustang are made in China. That factory in Wuxi makes engine castings (not blocks) like manifold, coolant outlets, stamped metal parts with molded rubber like bushings and mounts.

It's annoying to hear Ford fans defend Ford and act like it's a patriotic duty to own one.

On a lighter note, my coworker is a Ford fanatic. He has a new EB F-150, his wife has an Edge and a Focus. He knows I'm on the hunt for a new truck.
We were driving in our 2022 F-150 truck at work, and I was making fun of it because the infotainment system was crashed and the upper glove box won't stay latched shut.
He's funny, "what's the big deal, just take it in to have it fixed?!" Then he shared with me how Ford forgot to put the horn harness into their Focus (eh, I doubt the horn gets it's own harness, but anyways....) And how funny it was to him and his wife how the horn didn't work on their new car.

I mean, ok?

Anyways, people who think loyalty to the big 3 is patriotism annoy me. I feel no patriotism to a US company that will, over time, turned their backs on American workers. I feel just fine buying stuff from "foreign" companies who make the majority of their stuff in USA and also utilize USA vendors. Especially when their home country doesn't point nukes at us

 

One of my grandfathers was a die hard Ford man despite the issues he had with them (moreso his Winstar than his trucks, though) but he knew the value of Toyota after buying a Corolla, teaching 3 of his kids to drive standard on it then selling it for what he bought it for. He didn't have anything bad to say about my truck when I bought it. My uncle (his only son) drives a Sierra now.

My other grandfather mostly had Dodges and GMs for both his half ton pickups and his grain trucks, with some Internationals as well, but his last car was a Lexus. Not sure what he thought of the Tundra as he passed before I bought it. My dad will drive anything Japanese or Korean; he still likes GM but not enough to buy one (he also has no need or want to own a pickup). My uncle still talks about how great his diesel Land Cruiser was but he needs a one ton for his ranch. GMs are apparently too expensive for him and he's had too many problems with Ford so he sticks with Dodge, despite the problems his have given him. At one point, the only vehicle he could get running that he could haul a bag of oats in was a 2002 Land Rover he'd had sitting at his place for a while. He goes through a lot of turbos, both in his CTD and in the semi he uses to haul fuel as a side job.

 

I heard that guys who have computer issues in their new GMs get the the response "we'll get our team in China working on that."

 

Don't say that too loud or you will be seeing a 15 page "The Great Reliabilty Conspiricy Thread". Has it always been a forum of nagging ol'ladies?

 

The Tundra actually sucks at fitting my needs also.

I need (or soon will need) a truck that can haul heavy loads (my house) offroad. A 1 ton would be best, plus you can get them spec'd with low gears, lockers, actual skid plates, a stiff frame (so I don't need to build in articulation) and other useful things. I pondered for a long time, and decided I'd probably have fewer issues with the Tundra even if 1000 lbs over GVWR, and that is a big deal to me. Plus it was a lot cheaper to buy and is cheaper to own.

Nobody said the domestics are "breaking down all the time" but even if it's only a 50% increase in repair BS, that's a lot IMO.

Of course the big 3 sell a lot more trucks. 90+% of their buyers would never consider a foreign brand, anyway. They'd be kicked out of the tribe! People are easily enticed by new gadgets, and other stupid things we are taught to care about... like "this one makes 410 hp, and that one is only 390!"... or MPG just for the sake of a number.

 

Understood, and I'm actually looking at Silverado 2500's myself. But this thread is about 2022 F150 vs Tundra, not 1 tons. There are plenty of things to hate about the 22 Tundra, and reliability is not one of them (yet?). I was triggered by that guy's comment and the nonstop repetition lol and now a little embarassed for the language.

 

No. That's what happens when a 3rd gen Toyota truck is released. Ask the members on Tacomaworld.com

 

Lol ok I see your point of view..

 

Give this guy a Snicker
Reliability at this point for the 2022 tundra is up in the air. TTv6 will never be as reliable than the 5.7 FACTS!! but will it be more reliable than the Ecoboost possibly not by much though.

 

Sorry, but to call this a fact requires data. You don’t have data, so let’s be honest and just call it an opinion. Okay?

 

There is data, a turbo charge engine will need more major repairs at higher mileage 100k+ than a N/A engine, I think anybody with logical sense would agree. And given the fact the 5.7 V8 is one of the most reliable engines in history, that would definitely make it concrete saying that the TTv6 won't be AS reliable than the 5.7. You are right, it is my opinion but if you think that the TTv6 with d-4s will be as reliable than the current 5.7 you sir will be disappointed

 

Do you know the difference between Force induction and naturally aspirated and how they differ when it comes to reliability??? Why is everybody so offended when all I said was 5.7 will be more reliable. Lol that should be a compliment for Toyota.

 

After owning 2018 F150 Xlt 4x4 super crew 3.5 eco boost , compared to my new Toyota 2021 Sr5 Crewmax . Both about 45000$
On the ford, Engine was made in Mexico on the and I had lots of problems with timing chain
components.
.the 10 speed was great.
Start stop was the worst
No push button start ignition
No full size roll down back cab window
Average 18 mpg mixed was nice,
Infotainment sync3 about the same
Runs in clear coat paint from factory
Out of round steering wheel
Hood installed crooked
Aluminum body was light but wavy
No rear seat air vents
Heated seats were nice
Turning radius was bad
At the dealer for repairs with no loaner car a few times. And no parts in stock for weeks.standard answer was we are redesigning that part it will take awhile to get in.
Toyota starts every time
Recalled power steering rack but still drives fine

 

Not offended at all. It’s not a fact though until you have data to back it up. Is it likely? Given the reliability of the V8, it will be hard to beat. Impossible? Not hardly.

 

I definitely agree the TTV6 will be more expensive to maintain as it ages. However, it'll be so far down the road not really something most people need to fret about at this time.

It's not the boost that's the issue, it's all of the extra parts supporting the boost.

Dual fuel injection.
Heat exchangers with electronic pump(s)
2 turbos
Electric water pump (this may prove to be better than mechanical)
All of the possibilities for boost leak

Just a lot more to go wrong than the previous V8.

I have very high confidence that Toyota will make the most reliable TTV6 possible.

But, the TTV6 in the Lexus has proven to be less reliable than the previous V8, not horrible, but not as carefree as the V8 LS cars were.

 

Lol, you know that is only because we did slightly more than just point our nukes at Toyota’s home country right?

 

^^^^
So for giggles
I obtained the dealer cost on the Tremor including dealer cost for all available options.
Armed with this info, I then called a mid size not big dealer (New Car Sales Manager) and gave him the VIN to my truck, mileage, etc..
Based on his system of whats being offered for sale, he confirmed its value as a trade in similar to the Toyota dealers.
But what he said next was interesting.
Said he could not do any deal because, even though I could just hand him over my truck, he in return could not guarantee me a new truck within 3 months.
A regular mom & pop F150 sure, but not a Tremor.
And it was not going to be sold for a small percentage above dealer cost like a regular F150. A savings of $5-6k.
He also said he felt the current used vehicle situation with inflated pricing will last another year. His opinion.
So a sellers market for anyone selling private, trading in, but also for the dealers selling those limited supply vehicles.
So it doesn't matter what my/your truck is worth if you can't get one on contract to replace it and save the taxes.

 

Tremors and black appearance packages aren’t being scheduled right now. Those are delayed last I looked imto

 

Knowing now mine took 7 months I would have ordered a Tremor. I love my lariat but those tremors look so aggressive and awesome in person. Was the same pricing model, 4% under invoice + rebates. Although the extra $500 and 0% Apr wasn’t available on the tremor so that’s an extra 3k-3.5k in savings

 

And there has been a lot of stink spread on Toyota on this forum for not including 4auto 4wd on any 2022 models.
Well you can get 4auto 4wd on the Tremor - just hand over an extra $16k Canadian dollars for Equipment option 402a.
8^0 - lol
How bad do you really want 4auto 4wd?
just throwing that out there. I was looking at it with 401a.

 

On the F-150 it is quite easy to convert to the 4A system. Just 3 things needed:
4A transfer case
4A dash switch
Forscan to enable the 4A.

The transfer case is surprisingly not expensive, even as new from Ford. And, no other parts are different, so it's not much of a hassle to do.

 

Yeah, but I can also get 4Auto on a Silverado WT for about $45k CAD or over $10k less than an SR5.

 

I will never buy a GM product again. Just me. Also not a fan of the old man balls rear suspension.
Everytime I am behind a GM truck with those rear shock absorbers that can be seen just waiting to be clipped offroad....
Take a lesson from Toyota or Ford.

 

I only used them as an example because I think Ford forces you into the Lariat or higher to get 4Auto and I can't navigate the Ram website to figure out what they have.

 

I lol'ed at that. I love my truck but I hate how low the rear shocks are.

 

I’ve broken one before.

 

Happy New Year.
Interesting.
So out of curiosity how many $$$ to do the Ford. And how many $$$ to do the Tundra in comparison ?

 

Good thoughts everyone. I do think the 22 Tundra has made some great improvements and will likely be a quality vehicle. One thing I was kind of disappointed in was the 22 payload numbers. Yes they were improved but they are still far off from the f150. I saw an f150 xlt fx4 with payload sticker of 1850. Sr5 Trd OR I saw was about 1450. Since I do tow/haul, that is going to get me to at least consider the f150.

 

I have had 5 new gen aluminum fords. Most trims and engines besides the 5.0 and 7.3 randomly. I had a black appearance 7.3 on order but no availability and I swapped the order over to a 2.7 XL supercab longbed for someone at work.

I think my old 2008 Tundra was a bit better build quality than the f150s. But they arent bad they will just fall apart at a faster rate and loosen up faster.

I am probably going to order an SR double cab 8ft bed as well and take that or the F150.

I know the 2.7 will get better mpg but you need to option up to the 2.7 payload package to get the full durability out of it and it looks like the Tundra is pretty solid. That bumps the f150 over the SR in price even with it at Invoice vs tundra at msrp.



I probably would stick with Ford on the higher end trucks but I stick with 3/4+ ton diesel on the higher trim levels.



The bad thing about my situation is I want to sell an old gas hog f250 backup I have but with all this drama I may just hold onto it as a backup for now.