2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Good for you - glad you found your answer! For me, objectively speaking I don't think the issues are a given, more as a folklore IMO. I am surrounded by F-150's that never had any issues and a Ford Tech that is my neighbour that is telling me nothing but great things. Yes, you see some issues on forums but they also sell 800K to 1 Mil. of trucks every year. There are issues with Tundras as well, and there will probably be more with this new model. Tundras with issues will wait in shops too, as the supply chain issues is global.

 

It’s a brand new design. Reliability is far from being proven….

 

Yes, you're right. In plus all those sensors will make us pay big bucks down the road, regardless of the brand. I had a bad parking sensor (hit by a rock) on my wife's Lexus Rx350 and Lexus wanted to charge me $1200 with 4.4 hours of labor . Wait until the radar and fancy camera + sensors will go bad. Won't matter then if it's Toyota or Ford - we will pay big bucks.
One example about technology though - 5 years ago I wanted a Chevy Volt against all the advice from my friends: It's very risky, Hybrid, New technology, Chevrolets are very bad, get Japanese, etc. I am not a brand fanatic, I know that Japanese are in general more reliable, but also like and embrace technology and I am trying to be objective. I bought the car, fully loaded with all the technology that it's just coming to some new models. Long story short, it's the best vehicle I've ever owned. 173K km, I am at 52% electric, 48% ICE, overall fuel efficiency 82MPG, 2.8l/100km. I changed twice an EGR Cooler (under warranty) and that's it. As perfect as it gets and I still feel that I drive a new car.

 

But even if it’s not, at least it’s not ugly.


Edit: I’m actually just mad with Toyota for making a truck I am unwilling to buy, and right when I was ready to go back to a full size too

 

DrZoidberg is referring to the Gen 2.5 Tundra above.

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Driving dynamics is very important to me.
Just so I am understanding and reading this right as far as how the trucks drive.
Are you guys basically saying with .

Gen 2 Tundra - Gen 3 Tundra - Ford F150


The Ford F150 drives smaller than the Gen 3 Tundra.

The Gen 2 Tundra drives smaller than the Gen 3 Tundra.

The Gen 2 Tundra drives smaller than the Ford F150

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That means the Gen 2 Tundra drives the smallest.

Correct?

 

I agree. Everyone needs to wait before they start making comments about how the ‘22 is going to be more reliable than any other truck. I agree Toyota does their homework more than the big three. But this is an all new design from head to tail. Some of the first buyers are having small issues pop up here and there so there’s gonna be some issues. Every redesign has growing pains.

 

True that it MIGHT not be as reliable but we (I) KNOW about Fords (GM/Fiat) reliability. Flame away but we all know it

 

100%. Yeah yeah…people go to the internet to bitch but forums are a more realistic indicator of quality than “JD Power ‘initial’ quality” surveys.

The big 3 forums are a complete dumpster fire on a regular basis as far as continual problems with damn near brand new vehicles.

All Toyota has to do is not shit the bed in the reliability department to top them.

 

They sell more F-150s in a year than Tundra sells in almost a decade. Must be doing something right….

 

I never drove a gen 2 Tundra - was just comparing the Gen 3 with an F-150 Powerboost that I drove back to back. And not sure why I felt that the Ford drove smaller- I was not referring to the turn radius which was pretty bad on both . Maybe part of it was the visibility as the Tundra has a very long hood, also the suspension. I felt that the Ford ride was better and more solid. Again, I am not experienced with trucks, but these are my objective observations.

 

Also, based on the sales figures, R&D budget is probably way bigger, that's why the better technology offered. Looks like Toyota run out of development money (see the missing tow hooks or the missing integrated bed step or the Pro-power onboard, or integrating the battery for the hybrid one under the rear seats and losing the storage, etc). Toyota fans for sure will get the Tundra, but with more R&D money and a thing like Pro-Power onboard Toyota would have stolen more people from the Big 3. They were the last to redesign and should have taken care of small things too. Yes, they will sell everything that will produce - maybe 150K or so but still way less then the competition. I bet Most of the Big 3 Owners would like to have a Toyota but as a truck "feature per feature"or capability wise, or variety of engines, the Tundra is inferior.

 

The goobers have taken over the world...

I got the cheapest SR for a reason, and it's wasn't because I couldn't afford a Platinum or TRD Pro.

Goobers.

I think Toyota realized in 2007 that they wouldn't sell many Tundras no matter how good it was. It was a class leader back then, and sales were still anemic. Lots of brand loyalty, and "American company" loyalty with trucks.

A reliable vehicle is very important to pretty much everyone. The Tundra has been the cheapest fullsize to own probably since it came out, and that doesn't even put a $ value on the hassle of getting stuff fixed, even under warranty.

The answer to this thread is obviously... NEITHER! Get a 2021 Tundra...

 

This really is huge. I can’t tell you how many folks view Tundras as an import, and the big 3 as domestic. My work Silverado was made in Mexico. Every Dodge pickup I’ve owned (3) was hecho en Mexico.

 

I hope so I want them to do well. I’ve had six Toyota’s, drive a Tacoma now and wife has a 21 4Runner OffRoad Premium, and I still ordered a Ford. Toyota has produced a middle of the road offering with the Tundra, not a world beater.

 

Haha, I wish your answer would me mine too - but not yet. Still digging until I am going to drove myself nuts and will let my wife decide - and because she goes on looks and colors and biased as she drives a Lexus RX that we love - she will choose the Tundra . But then she will question why we didn't get the powered campsite that was sold out and I will answer that we could have had the powerboost and all the power we wanted. Will lose the argument either or lol.

 

Ofcourse, it's an awesome brand - and they will do very well. But on trucks they could have done a bit better by taking care of the "smaller stuff" that is important for few or more of us

 

are you in Ontario ? can you send me a pm of who the dealer is and contact person ? thx

 

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nothing wrong with shopping
I have something IMO that is worth more (value) than a new Tundra or Ford F150 right now.
I have a used Tundra. The dealers keep anteing up. They need them.
Don't get me wrong Toyota will sell all the Tundras they make. There is a waiting list.
But I feel that they have aimed the Gen 3 at the SUV buyer going into his/her first truck.
Larger vehicle on the outside. Driving dynamics worse.
Smaller cab space for storage - should the Crewmax not really be called a quad cab now ?
I need the flat floor behind the front seats.
no bumper step with tail gate down anymore. I wont mention tow hooks - oops I did.
smaller bed size for storage - not as deep and wide.
I am turned off by the fact they have the stereo producing engine noises.
Dealer calls me to come in but I do not feel a need to right now. Still doing research.
I am also in the country so its a drive to the nearest dealer also and they are not big dealers.

 

Time will tell if the 2022 Tundra makes Consumers Report best used truck list.
Consumer reports said: The Toyota Tundra was the most reliable used truck from 2000-2021.
Beating out all of the truck makers (Ford, Gmc/Chev, Ram, and Nissan).

 

Number 1 reason I bought mine.

 

You'll never catch me drivin' no ferrin' vehicle. I'm buying me a Buick Envision! American name plate, American dealership...built in CHINA!

 

Something I was unaware of. Have to see a 2022 Tundra first hand.
I just read Toyota will charge for their app to remote start. That is BS. Ford app does not charge.

 

I just read Toyota will charge for their app to remote start. That is BS. Ford app does not charge.[/QUOTE]


Cause it probably won't start most of the time.

 

Not yet but it is coming

 

Absolute dependability is so important for me that all the other features (or lack thereof) that for some shoppers put the Tundra behind other trucks are all things I’m happy to live with.

• Non-flat rear floor? All my gear still goes back there, and somehow it still holds it just fine. It’s not like I’m hauling glass bottles that might roll against the driveshaft tunnel and shatter. My dog has never complained either.

• Low-ish payload? Still works for me, even when I’m (very rarely) way over.

• Poor MPG? I see it as the price I pay to come home from every remote trip I take. I expect this for at least 300k miles.

• No rear locker on the 2nd gens? I just pick a better line. Also, I have never been able to get stuck when aired down in 4Lo.

• Intrusive tracking through Toyota connected services? Opted out with extreme prejudice.

Your mileage may vary with a ‘22. Despite what some have said, it is not a 100% new design. There are new parts, sure, and the body and frame are new, but the engine has years of use in other platforms as does much of the tech: the MTS, rear locker, and crawl control to name a few.

One thing Toyota NEVER does is hastily release untested new tech to their customers. That’s a Ford move.

 

Were you inside my head when you wrote this?

 

People who drive domestic half tons have a different idea of reliability. Covered repairs under warranty. Going 100k-150k before trading it in. 100k miles to most people is “long term”.

Toyota owners have a different idea of reliability. 300k miles only routine maintenance. 300k is long term to Toyota owners.

The domestics, and I’m thinking of half-tons to keep it more apples to apples, have more issues. Period. They have issues at a higher rate, not just because they make more trucks. People who drive domestics love to say that it’s only because they make more trucks. That is not true at all. It’s because they have wildly different manufacturing principles and much quicker turnover for generations, drivetrains, and tech. Constantly “raising the bar” in terms of performance and features looks good on paper, and it gives your salesmen persuasive talking points to your buyers, but it absolutely sucks for John Doe if he plans on keeping his truck for more than 5 years. The domestics by and large aren’t designed to be owned any longer than that.

Toyota is as more reliable as they are behind in terms of features and options. This is how this works. Quickly turning over new generations and constantly developing new tech and rushing it to market is everyone else’s game. Putting out tried and true, reliable, easy to maintain trucks with much longer service lives in general is Toyota’s game.

If you buy a new truck everyone couple of years, I don’t know how you can say any vehicle you’ve owned is reliable, especially over the long term.