Payload Stickers?

Limited 4x2

 

Still curious about the AVS/airbags offer.

 

Is this why all the payload stickers are less than what is spec’d on the website?

 

Well, since almost every 2.5 gen has a 7200 lb GVWR (or lower) and some third gen trims have GVWRs of nearly 7400 lbs, I don't see it being an issue.

 

When comparing trims on the Toyota sit it lists 1940 lbs for payload on a 2wd Dc 6.5' bed. The curb weight and gvwr confirm this. Not to mention the weights for the 1794 dont match up. Very confusing.

The 2wd Dc I looked at yesterday had a payload of 1555, so where did the 385 lbs go? The only options on the truck where bedliner, floor mats, softex with 8 way power.

 

Website could be lying. Based on the stickers we've seen, there's also a theory floating out there that Toyota is just putting the most conservative sticker on all trucks. So if a loaded up 2wd DC with every option and accessory has 1500 lbs of payload, that's the sticker they're putting on every 2wd DC. I don't think it's very likely but I don't think we're going to know for sure until some members buy bare bones trucks and start weighing them.

 

Its funny that if you subtract 2-150lb people and 85lb for a hitch from the listed 1940 payload it matches the 1555 payload sticker I posted....

 

Not too get to offtrack but I just looked at my '18 and it doesnt match up either if you subtract curb weight from gvwr. I am missing 415 lbs and the 2022 is 385 lbs off the door jamb. Thats alot of weight to be accounted for.

 

Probably need to weigh your truck with a full tank of fuel and nothing in it to get the real curb weight. Or load it up with everything you normally carry to see how much payload you have left.

 

For every one of us who wanted a more competitive payload rating, there are 100 potential Tundra buyers who are more interested in mpg, ride comfort, and the size of the screen on the dash. We are Toyota’s red headed step children.

 

I have a feeling that the difference in payloads comes from different interpretation of the "curb weights". For the '22 in the online specs -curb weight is listed at around 5400lb hence the high payload spec. I can't find it right now but I am sure I've seen somewhere some real curb weights that were around 5800lb. Does anybody have the real numbers?

 

I was referring to the real ones not the listed ones. We get that answer and we'll understand where the wished 400 payload pounds are

 

Ok, I found the missing weight. Payload actually means nothing anymore, simply a marketing tool.

 

Man - we get your opinion, how many times do you have to post this? I know you don't care about the payloads but some of us do. Why do you even read our posts while we try to understand the logic behind the sticker numbers?

 

The GMs with the max trailering package seem to be pretty good.

 

Ya, this is true, but still the sticker doesn't make sense. Can't explain why a base Limited Crew has the same 1400lb payload as a fully optioned one with sunroof, off-road package, spray in bed liner, tailgate step and other options on it. This extra weight should be over 200 lb yet payload stays the same. Anyways, I contacted 2 of the famous online reviewers and they confirmed me that they will reach to Toyota Chief Engineer or other people @ Toyota to clarify this. If I will ever get answers - will post here ASAP.

 

If you're as smart as I believe - you can figure that out by reading all the posts. So far you didn't get it

 

The curb weight on your registration (5060 lbs) looks really low, even for 2wd. Adding 415 lbs to get 5475 lbs, seems plausible. I've seen people weigh well appointed CMs and be >6000 lbs.

I think if you subtract your payload from your GVWR you'll be fairly close to your curb weight. Using that formula my truck weighs 5795 lbs.

 

This is true. The Curb weights are more in line with the previous generation of GM or Ford. Ford crew cabs for the 11-14 model years were in the high 5000's. My 2014 supercrew 4x4 6.5' lariat Cat Scaled at 6140 lbs with a full tank of fuel and almost nothing in it except my sons car seat base and some crap in the center console.

Ford did not reduce weight to increase payload. When they went from the steel body to aluminum, the trucks lost ~600-700 lbs of weight, but also 650 lbs of GVWR. Same with GM when they got lighter in 2019. An old steel body F150 with the max-tow package will have virtually the same payload capacity as an aluminum F150 with similar options +/- 50 lbs. I've looks a bunch of times. My 2014 Lariat was 1540 lbs of payload and 2015+ aluminum F150 Lariats that are equipped almost identically were in the same 1500-1600 lb range.

I think Toyota is more conservative with the GVWR for sure.

Who bumps their payload year to year?

 

GM lost 450 lbs on average in their crew cabs from the K2 (2014-2018) generation to the T1 (2019+) but the max GVWR went from 7600 lbs to 7300 lbs so the max trailering package trucks actually gained ~150 lbs of payload on average.

 

If the GVWR of the Tundras is the same as the competitors' trucks, how is Toyota more conservative with it?

 

Fewer of the body parts are aluminum, even on the third gen.

 

Well when they weight as much as a steel body F150 with a 7700 lb GVWR, then they are not the same. According to Toyota, the max GVWR for the iForce Max crew cab is going to be 7780 lbs, in a truck that weighs north of 6000 lbs.

So far all the door stickers I have seen for the regular iforce are closer to 7000 lbs, which is in line with an aluminum F150 that is 6-700 lbs lighter. Why have such a low GVWR if the truck is so much beefier?

 

Since F150 capacity occasionally gets brought up, it should be noted that Ford offers 3 classes of frame for the F150....
Light duty frame: only available on NA V6 and certain EB 2.7 configuration. This gets the best non-hybrid mpgs
Standard frame: pretty much what most F150s get. Also only one available on Powerboost, and I think Platinum. The payload capacity of these isn't much different than the new Tundra.
Heavy duty frame: only available on certain EB 3.5 and 5.0 V8 configurations. This is where you see around 3,000 pounds capacity. These trucks are less common and also have different brakes.

I don't know how the current F150 lineup compares to the previous steel body ones, but they may not be comparable anymore.

 

The payload capacity of the Standard frames are quite a bit different than the Tundra. I've personally seen a 3.5L Ecoboost Crew cab 4x4 with the STX package with a payload sticker close to 2100 lbs. HD frame trucks are in another league. There are guys on the F150 forum with HD Payload crew cab 4x4 XLT's that have 2500+ lbs of payload.

Fully loaded Lariats and King Ranches are coming in around 1500 lbs +/- depending on options.

 

Like i said, I think they are just super conservative with the GVWR. I have no doubt in my mind that the Tundra is every bit as strong as an F150 or GM. Maybe stronger.

The fact that the Tundras have aluminum hoods and doors and a composite bed and still outweigh a similarly equipped F150 by 500 lbs tells me they are probably a little beefier underneath.

 

Vehicles absorb energy in a crash mainly through plastic deformation of the steel. In other words, you want a structure that yields easily. If your vehicle has a strong structure, it will absorb less energy in a crash, and occupants will be subjected to higher G forces.

The F150 HDPP frames have a .11" wall, and a 49.3k psi yield strength. If someone with a '22 Tundra or access to one would like to get their caliper out and take some measurements, that would be interesting.

I think the odds are good that the Tundra frame, brakes, axles, and bearings are at least as robust as the F150 HDPP. The Tundra will have weaker springs and probably tires, because the Tundra is spec'd to ride smooth with no load, hence the low payload.

 

Just for comparison’s sake, here’s my FIL’s F150 SuperCrew EcoBoost XLT 4x4 sticker. This stings a little bit, not gonna lie.

Edit: it has a rear e-locker, too.