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Payload Stickers?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by AnalysisParalysis, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Dec 22, 2021 at 9:52 AM
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    In what situation would you be found at fault if over GVWR, but not if you were under? If you failed to brake or lost control of your vehicle, you'd be found at fault in either case. And if the other party are the ones who failed to brake or lost control, your load is irrelevant.

    A Tundra hauling a 2500 lb camper with appropriate mods, will handle and brake *much* better than your 38 ft motorhome, and be much safer from the perspective of other road users. It wouldn't even be close. And yet a 90 year old with horrible reflexes and eyesight can legally pilot that motorhome anywhere he wants to go, so long as he has a simple driver's license.

    The reason cops don't know anything about "loads that you can safely carry on the highway" is that there is in fact no such thing. It is the driver's responsibility ensure that their vehicle is safe to drive, and to use it in a safe manner. The cops only get involved if it is visually obvious that your vehicle or yourself are unsafe, or you cause an accident.
     
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  2. Dec 22, 2021 at 10:32 AM
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    I agree with you, load should not have anything to do with it. But I will attempt to explain what situation you could be found at fault. At least in NJ, and I’m not talking bad about cops. I’m a cop for the past 22 years.
    Let’s say someone runs a red light and smashes into the side of your vehicle and you are overloaded obviously with squat to the point anyone would say that truck is loaded to much. Now let’s say the driver who hit you sustained seriously bodily injury and it’s necessary for a full accident reconstruction report. The fact that your vehicle is overweight contrary to law will be noted in the report and even that it had nothing to do with the initial impact your unsafe vehicle will be given some type of contribution towards the impact. It’s not fair but it happens all the time.

    “Vehicle 1 proceeded through intersection against the red traffic signal causing impact with unsafe Vehicle 2. Investigation reveals vehicle 2 was overloaded in an unsafe manner when struck by vehicle 1 who disregarded the red traffic signal.

    summons issued to vehicle 1 and 2 for violations.


    I know, it probably won’t ever happen to you, but I see this kind of stuff all the time. And people come in and complain that insurance won’t pay because of the way the cop wrote the report.

    But it u upgrade ur truck and drive safe I agree with you that it would be fine.
     
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  3. Dec 22, 2021 at 11:28 AM
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    In this case, the pickup driver was already in violation before the accident and could have been given a ticket for having a load that was obviously unsafe. The accident just called attention to them. This is true for any sort of violation isn't it? For instance if it was determined that the pickup driver was on their cell phone, or driving with an expired license, they'd get a ticket for that, but it wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with the accident or fault.
     
  4. Dec 22, 2021 at 11:37 AM
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    Cell phone definitely. expired license not so much. And you absolutely correct that the crash just calls attention to it, point is probably moot as most cops don’t know about payload or they don’t care.
     
  5. Dec 22, 2021 at 11:46 AM
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    Since being over GVWR is not in itself illegal, should they have a reason to care? I'm just trying to get some clarification, and your experience as a cop is valuable.
     
  6. Dec 22, 2021 at 12:44 PM
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    At least in my state being over GVWR may not be the issue. But operating an unsafe vehicle is. And that could also lend itself to careless driving.
    The officer would have to articulate what exactly made the vehicle unsafe in court per the statute. But to write the violations it’s left to the individual officers discretion.
    As far as payload it would have to be dramatic, like a 2wd 1999 Tacoma with 4K of tile in the bed riding on its axles with smoking breaks. That could get u pulled over and issued unsafe operation.
    But if u just have a payload that’s 500 pounds over being in a serious crash will trigger a more in-depth crash investigation that could reveal the overweight and may result in your vehicle being classified as unsafe.

    it’s a lot of “what ifs” and I must say it’s unlikely.
    But it happens
     
  7. Dec 22, 2021 at 1:00 PM
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    Has anyone ever wondered why there are so many law offices dedicated to RV crashes?

    https://thehwlawfirm.com/2020/07/27/common-causes-of-rv-crashes/

    Common Causes of RV Crashes
    Common causes of recreational vehicle (RV) crashes and safety tips for RV drivers and regular drivers alike.

    Despite and possibly because of the COVID-19 pandemic, RV sales and rentals are at a record high. With travel being increasingly regulated and most people avoiding air travel like the plague, many people are investing in recreational vehicles and are taking vacations the good old fashioned way—on a campground in their campervans, motorhomes, or trailers. Missouri State Parks counted 26,253 more campers in June 2020 compared to June 2019. With the sudden influx of RVs on the road, we’re here to help you learn about what causes RV crashes and how to stay safe behind the wheel of one.

    Causes of RV CrashesAccording to the most recent and available data, nearly 75,000 injuries occur each year due to RV crashes. On average, that’s over 200 injuries per day. One of the most common causes of RV crashes is speeding. RVs are larger in size compared to pick-up trucks, cars, or vans. Their large size combined with high speed can lead to dangerous crashes or vehicle turn-over. The key to staying safe is to try to avoid going over 60 miles per hour in any sort of recreational vehicle. Take things slow (especially those curvy highway ramps) and pay attention to the wind speed as well as wind speed and vehicle speeding are a lethal combination.


    Another common cause of RV crashes is driver fatigue and falling asleep at the wheel. Given that many RVs also serve as mobile homes, it is easy for drivers to become too comfortable in their vehicle. That, and the purpose of RVs as primary vehicles on vacations means these drivers go long distances without sleeping, trying to reach their destination. A good tip for RV drivers is to rest 30 minutes for every 3-4 hours you drive, or switch off with a partner.

    Overloaded trailers—or unevenly loaded trailers—cause a lot of RV crashes. You must load a safe amount on your RV and ensure that the weight is evenly distributed over both sides of the RV as uneven weight leads to vehicle rollovers. Overloading trailers is not only dangerous, it’s also illegal. An important fact RV drivers should know about over-loading is that if you’re in a crash in an overloaded RV, you are much more likely to be deemed at fault by the insurance company.

    Blind spots, wide turns, and other general human errors cause quite a number of RV crashes. Similar to other large vehicles, an RV has plenty of blind spots. Although many newer RVs come with back-up cameras, these are only useful as they help you maneuver your vehicle in “reverse”. RVs are also hard to brake in, and stops are more of a slow roll compared to your average car. We are all human, but RV drivers should still make sure they are practiced behind the wheel before driving long distances and are aware of their vehicle and its limitations.

    How to Stay Safe in an RV and driving next to RVsIn order for RV drivers to stay safe on the road, you must know your vehicle. You should be aware of its size, its stopping time, its wide turn length, and its blind spots before getting behind the wheel. You should also be cautious of other factors when driving to avoid crashes such as weather, the weight of your vehicle, and other drivers on the road. It’s not unusual for RVs to get accused of being at fault in crashes given their large size, so it’s better for RV drivers to play it safe. Even if you’re not an RV owner/renter and you drive a car, it can be beneficial to know what causes RV crashes so you can also avoid any contributing factors. Make sure you’re aware of blind spots when you drive near or pass any RVs with caution and remember to drive safely alongside all vehicles. Have fun on those family vacations, and stay safe!




    The Hines & Wilson Law Firm has more than 50 years of experience and is located in Columbia, Missouri. If you or a loved one has been injured in an RV crash, we will use our experience and knowledge to get you the compensation you deserve. Call us at (573) 443-4500, our toll-free number (877) 473-4500, or email info@hineswilsonlaw.com for a free and confidential consultation about your claim.
     
  8. Dec 22, 2021 at 1:04 PM
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    Jesus people, no one is going to weigh the contents of your truck and the tongue weight of your trailer if there’s an accident, unless of course you are towing something that weighs 5 times what your truck does. Quit worrying about the payload stickers, it’s not worth even looking at them.
     
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  9. Dec 22, 2021 at 1:08 PM
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    I bought my RV in Tampa FL and drive it back to NJ first time. Took a safety class at the dealership but definitely was not confident behind the wheel. I Never used air breaks before and nothing is required as far as endorsement on driver license. Dealer gave me keys and that was it.

    Mandatory driver training for RV and motor home would help with the crash issues I think.
     
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    Anybody hear they reduced the RAWR by 300 lbs on the 3rd gen? I just checked online and the 2021 is 4150 lbs and the owner's manual for the 2022 is 3860, so 290 lbs less.

    Wouldn't this negatively impact the payload?
     
  11. Dec 22, 2021 at 2:18 PM
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    Only if it's the limiting factor in the GVWR.
     
  12. Dec 22, 2021 at 2:39 PM
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    How bout all that arguing about driving under the magic number, I mean payload stickers
     
  13. Dec 22, 2021 at 3:18 PM
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    I guess that’s my question. If a lower RAWR equates to a lower GVWR and GVWR minus curb weight equals payload, why would Toyota do this for a truck they’re marketing as a towing machine?
     
  14. Dec 22, 2021 at 3:33 PM
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    Ok, so lets get back to payload. Here is a 2wd, DC, with just power softtex seats, bedliner and floor mats. WTF! A 2wd, DC long bed has a higher payload by like 30 lbs than a 2wd, DC short bed!? What configuration will net 1750 of the advertised 1980 lbs payload?

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  15. Dec 22, 2021 at 3:35 PM
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    Still not sure as like has been posted here, under the weights/specs it does not look like it. Dealor today had an update of all model #'s (?) that corrected earlier specs. Do the airbag (avs models) have higher payload? Nice looking truck tho.

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    wow , that pic with the hood up really gives you a feel of how long the front end is. will be interesting on the test drive if I like that or not
     
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    My Chicks 2020 Tacoma is the same way, no issues whatsoever and thats her being a 5'2" grandma. Nice truck, just 2 small for the 5ver.
     
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    What's the highest we have seen so far? For me it would be your photos in this quote. :eek2:
     
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    Yup, that’s the highest payload I’ve yet to see.
    I’m thinking we simply won’t see any between this 1555 and 1940.
    Sad
     
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    Still curious about the AVS/airbags offer.
     
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    Is this why all the payload stickers are less than what is spec’d on the website?
     
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    Very.

    Not an insult to you or anyone else that has a 2wd, but this just isn’t practical for most people. Once I retire and the kids are flying solo, I can’t see getting a crew cab truck anymore.

    Only if Toyota would have hit 1650lbs on a 4x4 CM with a tow package or something…home run for most.
     
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    Well, since almost every 2.5 gen has a 7200 lb GVWR (or lower) and some third gen trims have GVWRs of nearly 7400 lbs, I don't see it being an issue.
     
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    Ok. Thanks for that. I hadn't looked into that yet.
     
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    I don't have or want a 2WD. I'd take a 2022 regular cab 4WD 6.5' bed if it existed. One would think I'd hit 1600 lb payload with that. But at this rate, who knows?
     
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    When comparing trims on the Toyota sit it lists 1940 lbs for payload on a 2wd Dc 6.5' bed. The curb weight and gvwr confirm this. Not to mention the weights for the 1794 dont match up. Very confusing.

    The 2wd Dc I looked at yesterday had a payload of 1555, so where did the 385 lbs go? The only options on the truck where bedliner, floor mats, softex with 8 way power.

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    Website could be lying. Based on the stickers we've seen, there's also a theory floating out there that Toyota is just putting the most conservative sticker on all trucks. So if a loaded up 2wd DC with every option and accessory has 1500 lbs of payload, that's the sticker they're putting on every 2wd DC. I don't think it's very likely but I don't think we're going to know for sure until some members buy bare bones trucks and start weighing them.
     
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    "I don't think we're going to know for sure until some members buy bare bones trucks and start weighing them."

    Totally confusing, indeed! Exactly! We have the means to figure this out. I really don't want to buy a GMC/Chevy 3/4 ton!

    Maybe we should start a CAT scale curb weight thread? What say we?
     
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