Official 2022 Tundra 3rd Gen Thread

My thought from what they were saying was that the Tundra won hands down on actual towing. Ram beat it slightly on mpg, but tundra was quicker, had a lot more throttle left, quieter, they mentioned it was basically towing effortlessly and it was very stable, safety chains hooked up easier, didn't sag as much. As a tow vehicle it won which for a tow test should give it the win. Tow hooks shouldn't come into effect here, that should've been a knock on their offroad test. I will give them the seat comfort as I often am towing for several hours, but that is subjective and something I would have to feel. Everyone always said the Tacoma was uncomfortable, but at 6'4, I never had an issue with it.

 

Either way the 2022 Tundra with the base engine is very much just average. The seat comfort complaint is alarming. Then there is the cost vs features content.

We like to talk about engines, and transmissions a lot here, but there’s more to a vehicle. It seems Toyota may have lost the overall point here.

This is making me more willing to sit out the first few model years. Hopefully it’s a sales flop and Toyota has to address some things.

 

So once again, tundra better at towing by a bunch buttttttt seats and no tow hooks.. so not as good as any other truck lol

 

Both were "off road capable" trims that towed. Notice there was no air suspension on either.

I think this was an off road truck towing test. Otherwise they would of chosen a different Tundra and Ram setup to go head to head.

 

I actually think we are nearing the limits of a half ton truck so we aren't going to see any major advancements in power and such. From what I've been reading it really seems like tundra focused on the mechanicals and really did a good job creating a good driving truck, but needs to spend a little more time on creature comforts.

 

how so? Seems this engine is better then all the v8’s, quieter then the rest, and has more power available then the v8’s and the other TT tested on the Ford. If anything it seems the engine gives it the win over other half tons for towing at least.

 

the only thing that makes the “off road trim” more off road capable is the rear locker. And that has nothing to do with towing.

 

I also don't remember seeing anything stating whose payload was bigger. Of the Ram had 400 more lbs available to put gear in the bed, that alone would beat Tundra in this test IMO

 

We have a 2020 Corolla we bought in 2019. The free trial Toyota Connect app expired a while ago for us.

However, the 3x lock key fob remote start kept working. As it should. Heck, my coworkers 2016 Honda Civic has factory remote start.

What Toyota is now saying is that they are going to retroactively disable everyone's key fob remote start of MY2018 and newer Toyotas. Up until now, many Toyota owners have been using key fob remote after the Connect app trial expired.

Makes me mad. I am ok with automakers charging for smartphone connected services, as someone needs to pay for management of the software and wireless communication charges.
But the vehicle doesn't need any further "management" or fees for cellular connectivity for key fob 3x remote start.

I am unhappy about this, it is souring my Toyota experience. I buy a Toyota because I anticipate a "one and done" experience.

And now I am seriously second guessing the new Tundra, do I really need it? The new Tundra has built in Google platform.... Because Toyota wants us to subscribe if we want "features".

 

Wrong. Suspension set up and auto leveling. The pwr wagon has meh payload for a reason.

 

Within the metrics of that test it was no better. Both hit the benchmark time, and the Ram claimed to burn less fuel. Fuel burn should have been tested at the pump though.

 

Lexus did something similar to us on remote start. Wife bought a brand new 2018 GX460.
The one feature she wanted was remote start for our dogs. It was literally a negotiating point as the one option she wanted when settling on final price. The saleswoman acted like it was a concession “ok ok we will install it prior to delivery”. That was BS.
After first year remote start stopped working and we took it in. Dealer finally admitted someone should have told us that all trims have remote start wiring installed at the factory and it’s all tied to monthly subscription and app services.
My wife was pissed at this admission.

Now takes to a wonderful independent Lexus/ Toyota mechanic. My Tundra goes there too.

The app remote start takes better part of a minute to actually start the car. Way too many clicks vs. key fob click in my opinion. I hope they offer that latter. Toyota smart phone apps are pretty clunky.

 

Wouldn’t that mean the Ram lost big time? If it has 400# more available and squatted more then the tundra?

 

Long live the tundra lean!!! 3/4 of difference!

 

Burning less fuel I’ll give you. But doing everything else with less effort and more control seems like a over whelming win for a tow test.

 

Very true, have gone at least 80 miles after trip computer wen to 0 miles to empty. Kind of annoying that it is off that much. Remember my brother had a 98 F250 with the V10. (Rarely cracked 10 mpg). When that little LCD went to 0 miles to empty you had better be within site of a gas station or you would be walking.

 

thanks!! Seams like no one has info on remote start. Hopefully not app only.

 

Was a hypothetical. I have no idea.

Like I said it was a tow comparison between off road pkg mid trim trucks.

TUNDRA won in torque, acceleration, stability. Tied in braking. Lost in MPG. Note - being at that Rev range for 1000 mile road trip can't be great for the engine.

So for 60k and real world towing comparison, which truck is a better value at 60k? Ram won.

For 60k, which truck is a better tow vehicle ONLY? Tundra. But that's not what was being stated.. Besides if your spending 60k to only tow, the value is in a diesel 1/2 ton or larger.

That's how I interpreted the video.

 

These tests are a bit silly.

Tundra kept up with Ram but lost because of tow hooks and perceived mildly less interior quality? This was a tow test wasn't it?

The Tundra beat the RAM on uphill acceleration but didn't have the urgency of an ecoboost?? I thought this was RAM vs Tundra?

TFL has previously roasted RAM for their very inaccurate fuel computer. Now on this test they accepted it at face value? I call BS.

 

But they made a good point at the end that the tundra is now with or below some of the competition in terms of overall features of the truck. I do agree the tundra did tow better but it didn't set a new benchmark like the 2nd gen did. I do agree as well the seats look really cheap and shorter for some reason and also build quality is not on par with competition and that's the reason why the tundra scored lower and tow hooks.

 

Fair point.

I still think the issues are very minor. I love all brands of pickup trucks.

My 2020 Silverado interior is supposed to suck and yet I think it's great.

I have driven the new RAM and found the interior kind of meh to be honest.

Nitpicking aside, the Tundra did a great job on the test. That's all we needed to know.

 

Definitely agree with comfort being subjective. I also believe many people make the mistake of comparing the opinion of someone else using only height as a reference. It is really your inseam length that matters. If your torso is on the longer side for your height, leg room won't be as much of an issue. I see people making this mistake when determining motorcycle ergonomics all the time. Inseam length is extremely important to determine if your ride will be comfortable or if your legs will be bunched up.

 

but.. if the tundra lives 3x as long before being crushed into a cube or having any significant parts replaced isn’t it a much better value?

 

I hear you. However I would be surprised if that's true. (3x)

Besides look at all the 2015 Tundra and up crowd tripping over themselves to get a 2022. Long term reliability doesn't come into play for most.

 

New tundra on the lot in Denver. I’ve got to be honest, up close it’s not as ugly as I thought.

 

Thats because it has no chrome and all black including match fenders. I think black looks decent.

 

That does look nice! Don't get in it, I swear they put crack in that new car scent.

 

They weren’t scoring “effort” though, and in the real world no one else is either. All most guys care about is can I tow this trailer up that hill at the speed limit (or speed of my choosing within safe and ethical limits)? If the answer is “yes” then the engine and transmission are good enough.

Ricky Bobby Ram buyer dude isn’t swayed by the Tundra being quieter because he’s gonna put Flowmasters on his Ram to make it louder. He doesn’t care about the RPM being turned either because he’s into the sound of the HEMI doing it’s thing. All he knows is he pulled the hill just as fast as anyone else, and he likes his truck. It has comfy seats, and tow hooks. Don’t bother him with the reality that he’s never used the tow hooks even once, he has them and a Tundra doesn’t.

I will again point out the poor value proposition of the Tundra for most buyers. In a year or two I fully expect the big 3 will have leapfrogged the 2022 Tundra in every way, and will be offering incentives. Meanwhile Toyota will have changed nothing, and will be trying to charge MSRP. Sorry but less content for a lot more money is not going to be compelling at all for most buyers.

Reliability and durability are nice to talk about, but most of the members here don’t walk the walk on that one. They drive a truck for 3-5 years and let the 2nd owner enjoy the vaunted Toyota reliability.

 

My take on this test. Both trucks pulled just fine. They were both able to pull at the speed limit. I wish they would go back to their calculating gas mileage at the pump like they used to because computers can be off by a bunch. I'm not real big on their downhill brake application test because I think all of us would be manually downshifting with that load on that grade. Wish they would manually downshift and then tell us if it can hold speed. I wish there was a little more discussion on seat of the pants feeling of both trucks. There's only so much you can actually measure. While towing they seemed to say the Tundra was more effortless towing that load, the ram only had 20% throttle left whereas he said he was barely touching it on the Tundra, but that type of stuff didn't seem to be taken into effect when scoring them. They are too hung up on tow hooks. Again, I'll give them comfort as that is part of the towing experience, but it is subjective to the person driving. I would like to hear how the truck responds at 50 mph when you pull out to pass someone. They mentioned the Tundra got stuck stuck behind some slow cars, how did it respond when the went to pass? Did it fall on its face, or did it accelerate effortlessly? To me a lot of towing is subjective, on paper, the F150 easily out tows the gen 2 Tundra. It will out pull it easily, but I've heard several people say the Tundra is a better tow vehicle and feels much more stable due to its weight and other things. I wish the would've given some more personal opinion on which one was easier to drive and told us where they all lost points instead of just saying no tow hooks and too expensive.

 

The speed limit was 60 right? And the Ram was nearly maxed out on capability right? So if you were on a 70 or 80 mph grade would the Tundra not have kicked it’s butt? The tundra won this tow battle by a lot as how I watched it and how I like to drive. And if the speed limit was higher I think we would really see which truck won by the largest margin.