First USA customer takes delivery of a 2022 Tundra

That sounds right and makes sense because you could easily do 30 mph off-road, hit a dip, and come down hard on the front end.

 

Every review I've seen said the cab is still very large and that the inch or whatever you lost is not an issue. The only issue I would possibly have is with the head room with the panoramic sunroof.

 

Are the 20s somehow lighter than 18s? I fail to see how they'd be better for fuel economy.

 

Personally, I'm trying to maximize payload and looking at a DC so the sunroof is of no concern.

 

He asked what other sacrifices. I read that as "doing without". In this case 35s or 37s

 

Not sure why that’s disappointing. I just put 1500 miles on in southern Idaho and got a robust 13.7-14.0 mpg at freeway speeds of 72-80 mph.

 

My tundra averaged 13-17 in Idaho and montana driving 80ish with 35’s and a bumper, but I watched the gauge like a hawk.

Just drove my dads 21 tundra from Bozeman to Boise on Tuesday and got….. 10mpg. He has a 3in lift, smaller 34x11x20 Tires (actually my old wheel/ tire set up), but he has the arb front bumper- 99% sure the extra profile and coverage it provides dragged down the mileage significantly.

towing our opus op4 trailer from Boise to Moab, off-roading and home I averaged 11. Hoping the new truck with modifications can add 4+ mpgs to that- I’m getting a hybrid

 

I recently went on a road trip from Central Kentucky to Austin and back to pickup a set of wheels/tires for my son's track car. The total trip we had averaged between 16 - 17 mpg. Like most drivers we drove +10 mph over the speed limit.

 

I get 17 regularly on the highway at 75 MPH. The new model is reportedly more efficient. So that is why 18 mpg is disappointing to me. I realize conditions vary, but still not what I was expecting.

 

13-17 is a pretty wide “average” are you saying at times the gauge said 13? And at times it said 17? Sometimes mine says 12 and at times it says 30. I average 13-30 mpg.

 

Reports on the hybrid F150 are about 11 mpg towing a TT, so maybe a +1 improvement over the base 3.5 EB. Sounds like the hybrid will help most with city driving mpg.

 

13 to 17 is total trip average. Depends on wind direction, weather, traffic, etc

 

I drive pretty conservatively, and I’d be thrilled to get 17 mpg on the freeway. I only push 17 mpg on the highway at 55-60 mph.

What tires do they have on the new truck? Leveling shocks?

 

I am referring to my results with my 2019, don't know about the 2022.

 

so your average is 15mpg. Nearly 4 mpg better in this one particular drive. Sounds like a great improvement.

 

Yeah, I don’t push my truck and have a 2021 TRD Pro with 34.5” tires on stock BBS. I get 13.9 average on the trip computer. I have 30k mikes on the truck. Will be 1 year in 12/24.

 

that’s comparing a 19 to a 21, not a 22.

 

This is why I'm not buying the hype of the 3rd gen Tundra. They made a lot of design, engineering and powertrain choices in the name of comfort and efficiency without moving the needle much in payload and performance. Even then I’m not super impressed with EPA numbers either. Sweers said tow hooks were omitted because it would impede aerodynamics. Obviously the V8 was axed because of efficiency as well. I keep hearing about CAFE standards and yet the Big 3 have no issue putting out high output V8’s along with having turbo and hybridized powertrain options. I can get a V8 in a Jeep Wrangler and Grand Cherokee but not in a Tundra…? I’m not opposed to efficiency, change or turbo engines but at the very least give me the option to decide.

It’s a longer and bigger truck and yet the cab is smaller. Again the nose needed to be huge to create more airflow for the turbos. Approach angle will surely be affected with the longer nose and ground clearance is already lower than the previous gen.

Payload numbers are still abysmal especially considering the Tundra is Toyota’s only full size truck. The Big 3 can put out a 1500 truck with lower payload numbers because they can always direct their customers to an HD truck. Toyota can’t do that. It baffles me that a company that can make a Hilux with 1-ton payload overseas but can’t make a full size truck with competitive payload numbers in the US. If Toyota is not going to be in the HD game then at least give us more payload with their one and only full size truck. Again, sacrifices made so that the customers feels like they’re driving a Cadillac and not a truck.

 

He was stating his highway mileage of his 2nd gen. Comparing it to the 2022 mileage in this first drive tfl video.

 

The Tundra has caught up with GMC and Silverado on payload but no one is matching Ford unless they also go to the all alluminum body.

When I recently looked at Chevy and Nissan FS trucks the PL was just marginally better with equivalent trim and options than my 2.5 gen.

 

My brother's CC 6.5 ft bed Sierra SLT, which is probably on par with a Limited or Platinum, has 1700 lbs and could have had 1900 if he'd opted for the max trailering package.

 

Sounds like I need to look again. Not sure why the GMCs I looked at were so weak.

 

It looks like it only comes with a 24 gal tank. Ugh. That's one way to pick up 200 pounds of extra payload. Ugh.

 

They are still 200+ pounds behind GMC. We have 15 Sierra 1500 SLT and mostly Denalis at work. I have bought 4 2021 Sierra 1500 SLT's with every option for an SLT and all of them are around 1585 sticker. They are on par with Platinum/1794 features wise. That is 200+ pounds more than what all of the SR5 stickers are being posted for. Considering my 19 Platinum had payload of 1,160 from factory, my guess isPlatihum/1794 will be 1,250-1,350.

Apples to apples comparison, Toyota is on average 200-300 pounds behind in payload compared to GMC and Ford for comparable trims.

This is mainly due to those trucks being 300-500 pounds lighter from factory.

 

I didn't realize GMC was that much different than the Silverados. I need to look at the Sierra. It would suck to be limited to a 24 gal tank tho. And as I noted above, the difference in the larger tank in the tundras is pretty big.

Did your trucks have a moon roof? That's another big PL hit.

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Yep, I am actually driving one this weekend with the family up in Gatlinburg, TN. This one has a 5.3 and x31 package on it and all options available for it. It's payload sticker is 1,586.

We always buy Denali's, but even with having a hookup they are a long wait these days in time. These loaded SLT's are pretty close to Denali but not quite.....

 

I'm in no rush. I'll research auxiliary tanks meanwhile.

 

That's true and one of the reasons I'm glad I didn't opt for a GM 1500.

 

You can't change factory payload but just beef up the rear coils to improve load carrying and handling trailer tongue weight. Rear coilsprings are easy to swap out and I'm sure Toytec, Dobinson, Eibach will have a variety of rear coils for load capacity pleasure.

 

Never drove a truck longterm other than Toyota, but Toyota seems to put a soft rear suspension in. My first gen Taco was stout, second gen SR5 was so weak I added Hellwig helper springs. Hellwigs on the first gen Tundra also.