2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

My experience with Toyota Build Quality vs. Ford Quality in a mom and pop shop, I feel that no matter the issues encountered with a Tundra are (per past experiences) easier to justify than that of a Ford.

That's not to say that any F150 I'd had hasn't been an absolute workhorse because I have put them through the ringer, but even down to the accessories, I feel that Toyota puts a little more emphasis on reliability and runnability than FoMoCo does...

 

I am not sure this will help but here it is.
I bought a 2017 f150 that was fully loaded with the exception of power running boards and real wood trim. Put 90k on it. A couple of minor issues. I had purchased the extended warranty plan. Which ended up being a wash. So I didn't lose money doing so. The truck was solid. But I always had the concern in the back of my mind if you know what I mean.

Prior to the ford I had a tundra. Not loaded. I never ever had an issue with it. Ran great. Just did not have the options and accessories the ford had.

I decided to sell the ford and take delivery of a 1794 on the 23rd. I went back to tundra for these reasons

1. Reliability
2. Resale value. (I don't keep trucks 10 yrs)
3. Tundra finally came into the 21st century
4. I don't feel the need to purchase the extended warranty.

only negative - why the 1794 doesn't have running boards or heads up display is beyond me. I swallowed that and hopefully will not regret.

 

This was back in 2010, 86,000 issue free miles later, I believe I made the right choice.

 

ford 150 always look good on paper in real life not so much

 

Honestly, choose the truck you like the best. Be it Ford, Chevrolet or whatever. All modern pickups are fantastic and will serve you well.

 

My 2016 F150 5.0 150000km has been problematic from day 1.

Front end 4x4 IWE issues
Head unit freezes occasionally
Power running boards will seize up if you dont pay close attention and keep them lubed
Windsield wiper motor stopped working. Needed replacement.
Rear passenger door fills with water when it rains. Leave the plug out of the bottom so most of it can drain out.
Oil pump issue / low oil pressure issue led me to replace the engine
Massaging seats work intermittently
Countless recall notices (I jokingly call Ford my penpal from Michigan)


My previous vehicle was a 2006 4runner 4.0L Sport with 235000km. It had an AC problem but other than that was fine.

I really like the Ford and it has great features, but I'm done with all the baggage. Back to Toyota for me.

 

Over 18 mpg for driving 75 mph and whatever kind of driving he was really doing sounds just fine to me. My Tacoma would be getting around 16 and is half as capable. Also to judge the truck on the first persons real world mpg is pretty laughable.

 

Agreed.

My 6.2 Chevy does 14 average.

When new, my 2.7 Ford did 9 to 12. I told Ford and they said it'll get better after 5K. They were right and I eventually averaged 15 to 17.

18.6 on a brand new truck at 75mph is actually great.

 

My current F150 5.0 usually displays around 12.5L/100km (18.8mpg) after a full tank of mixed driving. When I do the actual calculation at the pump it's always about 13.5L/100km (17.4mpg). So the dash readout is always optimistic in my Ford. Not sure what other people's experiences are, but I don't put too much trust on the onboard mileage calculation. Its usually off one way or the other.

 

They're great looking rigs for sure. In 2010 when I was truck- shopping, I test drove a F-150 because they looked better to me, (still do) It was loads better looking, to me, than the 'heap' I ended up buying! When reality set-in, I just couldn't get past the gutless 5.4 V8 with EPA mileage claims no better than Tundra's 5.7 with 80 HP more!

Ford fan boiz would tell ya', "they all do that" A friend from work was telling me about all the issues with his new Explorer and asked how many times we had to take our 04 Pilot back to the dealer. I know he didn't believe me when I told him"never in 360,000 miles" but he didn't trust me enough to call me a liar!

 

I had the same issue. My F-150 always displayed 2mpg higher than what I actually got. My Silverado, however, bullseyes it every single time.

 

Lose 2 cylinder and more then 1/2 the displacement only gain 2 mpg, how is that a good thing…lol

 

My new issue now is I found a dealer willing to honor x plan pricing for a new f150 lariat. This amounts to close to 5k off , certainly not chump change.

Considering that (at best) you will pay sticker for a Tundra, it makes the decision much more difficult for me and, to an extent, negates any resale value advantages. I love my Tundra, but the Ford does have some advantages when it comes to payload and towing, as well as some cool options unavailable on the tundra.

If I were paying MSRP for both, I’d go with the Tundra, but this does does make it more interesting. Would this stir the pot for you guys as well?

 

Yeah, they're definitely optimistic. I owned a '13 F150, and put 124K on it. It didn't give me any 'major' issues, but I had all kinds of small issues, and two or three moderate issues.

IF I drove it like I was driving Miss Daisy, I could get 15.9MPG.

I drive my '20 Tundra probably half and half city/highway, and 50/50 easy and fast driving...and I get no less than 16.5MPG unless I'm towing. Interstate I easily get 17.5-19MPG.

 

I'd still go with the Tundra. That $5k would be used in in frustration with warranty issues.

 

Where in Canada is it costing u $90k for a limited off road? I just signed my docs for $72k all in.

 

5K off plus another 5K from the difference in interest here in Canada (1.99% vs 4.99%) is definitely making it very hard to decide for me

 

Thanks for sharing and sorry for your experience! I also own a 2016 RX350 with no issues at all but also had an Edge and an Escape both 4 years lease with 0 issues. I think I will let my wife decide - she will go with the Red Tundra

 

for a 2022? Maybe you're dreaming it's 78K will all taxes in - but with 4.99% financing is $1,255 a month for 72 months. Total is over 90K without any accessories like running boards, etc

 

I’m in Alberta so lower taxes than you is likely the difference.

 

Nice, do you pay only 5%? Also nice to pay it cash and save more than the 10K in interest

 

Yep 5%.

 

Gained torque, Hp and 5 mpg..

 

I spent some time on the F-150 forums a couple years ago... Be sure to read up on F-150 Ecoboost timing chain failures, 5.0 V-8 oil burners and leaky sunroofs. I wouldn't buy a Ford for myself with your $.

 

You are echoing my thoughts exactly. I was really hoping for a Plug In Hybrid Tundra. I can't believe that Toyota didn't come out with a better generator. The Pro Power 7.2KW is something I think is going to pull me over to the F-150.

I'm going to wait until the Tundra Hybrid comes out before I make my decision. Sort of hoping that Toyota will make a a late call and boost the generator prior to release. We have another 4 months or so.

 

No Fords for me. It's not that I don't like Ford, because I do. However, they've had too many issues of late. My last Ford was a '97 F350 Crew Cab with the 7.3 Powerstroke diesel. Fantastic truck. Never had any trouble until I got into an accident and tore up the front end. Never drove right after it got fixed. So, I traded it off for a Chevy 2500 with the 6.0 gas motor. Put about 160000 miles on it before I sold it. Replaced the water pump, alternator, knock sensor, catalytic converter, AC compressor, and had the blend doors fixed three times. Was a pain in the butt. Went to Ram 2500 with the Cummins, a 2017 model 4x4. Thought it was going to be a decent truck. Less than a year in the brake control module went out. Almost 2000 dollars later thought I had it fixed. Very next year, about the same time, it went out again. Then the camera went out on it. Pissed me off bad. So, I decided to trade it for a Tundra. Never had a Tundra. The only toyota I had was a Corolla a few years back. So, traded the Ram for a 2019 Limited Crewmax 4x4. They gave me way more than I paid for the Ram. In fact, it was so much more I was quite surprised. I knew the price on the Tundra was inflated a bit, but with the amount they gave for the trade I felt we did ok. Since getting the Tundra, I've wondered many times what took me so long. I absolutely love this truck so far.

Some day, maybe I'll trade it in for a new Tundra. For now, it suites me just fine. No desire to change, yet.

 

Thanks for your suggestion, I am reading for a while on those forums. Yes, some people have issues but they sell at least 800K units a year, the forum has over 100K people so for sure more problems appear there.
I am not debating that Toyota's are better in quality but there is more than quality that factors in my decission- like price, options, interest rates, capacities, etc. I tried to get a better understanding on the real payloads (as I need as much as possible for a TT) and they are coming pretty low. In the specs it's nice, we see them listed at 1600-1700lb for crew cab 4 x 4. But in reality - I asked Andre at TFL truck the real payload on his and it's 1400lb. I asked another guy that picked up today one SR5 O/R and although I was expecting to be a lot more than the Andre's limited - it's less at 1384lb. Doesn't make sense considering that SR5 has a lot of less equipment.
. I agreed with my wife to test drive them back to back in a week or so when they come around here and then we'll order the one we like more.

 

Glad that you found your ideal truck! For me, I never had one but I have a Lexus RX350 that is amazing and in the past I had an Edge and an Escape - both very good. I will test drive them back to back and decide.

 

My comparison (so far):

• Tundra has an expected reliability reputation, but unproven in the 2022 model. A gamble?
  
• Ford has more payload.
  
• Ford has more towing.
• Ford has automatic 4WD (4A). In an empty pickup truck bed, this is very nice to have on slick roads. Or when some sections of road have snow/ice, and other sections don't.
  
• I am curious how the ride harmonics are going to be between the Tundras coil springs + fully boxed rigid frame versus Ford's leaf springs and c-channel frame.
• Not sure how well the pickup bed (dents) hold up between Ford aluminum vs. Tundra2022.
  
• Safety crash differences?
• I still haven't figured out all the driving assist features between Tundra and Ford.
  
• Ford has a lot of options. But a lot of the features come in expensive bundles.

At this point, it is tough for me to pass up the automatic 4WD, extra payload, and extra towing...assuming the price difference isn't huge. I could be persuaded towards the Tundra2022, if it had automatic 4WD (center torsion differential), and the reliability is way better than Ford2021.

 

For me, reliability trumps everything. If my truck is in the shop, I can’t use it, and the cost goes way up. I absolutely won’t tolerate breakdowns anymore. I want reliability above all else. That’s the main reason I went with a Tundra.