Official 2022 Tundra 3rd Gen Thread

I would buy a plug in hybrid Tacoma...If the ev only range was 20-30 miles at least, I would only use the engine on long road trips, I don't drive much day to day, but I make up for it on multiple long road trips a year. (work from home but put 15-20K a year on road trips..lol) A plug in Tacoma a would make a lot of sense and save a lot of money, not to mention it would be even more capable off road than it is now.

 

I live 'near' a city, yes. Everyone's use case will vary. But for the majority of people an EV currently WILL work. Trucks or SUVs towing...not so much right now. But, it's coming. Heck, I work for a major heavy truck manufacturer and we are one year away from mass producing OTR (Over The Road) full EV trucks (think 18 wheelers). If that segment can do it you can bet everybody else can. The infrastructure for these vehicles to re-charge is being built right now. So people towing will have that to pull into for a charge.

The 'new' technology is coming fast. Make no mistake about that.

 

That's great day-to-day but if you drive longer distances, you see a lot of people on the highway, and a lot of people who stop for gas on the highway. If you have to wait an hour or more, and you have a busy highway of people needing charging, this isn't going to work.

Again, a toy second vehicle is all it's worth right now for anyone who does long distance driving. That is the reason I have a tundra. It's the purpose for my buying it to begin with is long-distance, multi-day, 3000km road trips from the crappy flat place I live now to the mountains on the other side of the continent. I'm sure that there are many people who never drive anywhere but for those of us who do, it doesn't work.

And for those who say "no problem, it's all 20-30 years out" should take a look at the laws being passed banning ICE vehicle sales and the dates those take affect. It's not a date in the future where we go from one and discretely shift to the other, it's linear. Which means the problem with logistics are going to come sooner, not later. It's virtually impossible to build anything, damns are coming down, not going up, there hasn't been a new nuke plant in eons and windmills and solar are pipe dreams. Many places have grids that are stretched to or past breaking. This isn't a 20 year problem. It just isn't.

We can't have a Manhattan project without putting in the money and effort for a Manhattan project. Passing laws dictating the end of gravity would be as effective as decrees without backing them up.

 

I'm waiting for the hydrogen fuel cell Tundra.

Also, I'm glad to see the push for more hydrogen manufacturing in Alberta. Though their current plan is to convert a whopping 5% of our heating requirements to hydrogen in the next 10 years.

 

So what you are saying is that 40% of your range is unusable. The top and bottom 20%'s... So instead of stopping for an hour once, you stop for a 1/2 hour twice. Ok... best get building. Your 300 mile range is now 150... Those distances between charging points are gonna need to be compressed...

 

My point is that only a small percentage of the vehicles on the road are on long trips that will require charging stations, most of them are just being daily driven so they will be charged at home at night.
The laws I've seen are banning new ICE sales by 2035, that is 14 years from now. Vehicles easily have a 20 year life span, so we are looking at 35+ years before even the most progressive states being fully electric. Yes, there will be a big increase in EV vehicles in the next 5 years, but it will still be decades before they are fully implemented.

 

Did not say that at all. For day-to-day use manufacturers suggest you stay between 20-80% charge. The app on your phone can be programmed to make this happen while you charge at home. For daily use with an EV that has a 300 mile range, most people wouldn't even have to plug in nightly for a charge at home; more likely just once or twice a week.

For longer road trips it is absolutely OK to use the full battery if you want to maximize range.

 

Someone please start an EV thread already.....

 

at which point you are back to an hour plus charging time. and correct me if I'm wrong (and I may be) but the 80-100% isn't fast charging on many batteries which extends time much greater.

I'm not saying this won't all be solved eventually (although that is a possibility) but that it isn't being solved in the near-term. Full conversion to EV isn't viable at the moment.

 

Another one?

https://www.tundras.com/threads/electric-trucks.94254/

 

Of course, need one in the 3rd gen forum obviously!!

 

The simple fact is that if you use your truck like a truck and use it for longer trips EVs are just not practical. We will get there but we're not there yet.

 

https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-ev-pickup-truck-tacoma-tundra-preview/

 

From what I understand you are correct that at/above 80% the charging curve slows down for some vehicles. Specifically the Ford Mustang. I'm not sure on the other manufacturers if the curve is as severe but it isn't with Tesla. I agree that 'full conversion to EV isn't viable at the moment'. But what I would say is that it is coming much, much faster than people realize. That doesn't mean within a year the whole world will be electric. But there are some very intelligent people in the business out there that are saying that by 2028 if you (vehicle manufacturers) don't have a full compliment of EVs to offer the public, they may not survive.

 

I think you may have completely missed the gravity of this statement I made: "I work for a major heavy truck manufacturer and we are one year away from mass producing OTR (Over The Road) full EV trucks (think 18 wheelers)."

 

I got that but it's still not practical for the private 1/2 ton truck owner.

 

so how many spaces can you charge an ev with trailer that have the space to do that? and who is going to pay for the land space to have a decent amount of area to charge an ev and trailer beside just 1?

the space constraints to give you enough space to charge even a small uhaul 5x8 trailer is going to be 2 or 3 ev charging stations long. so instead of 10 spots you are now down to 7 or 6 if you want sufficient space for safety. and dont get started on if you pull a normal sized work/camper trailer that ford is pushing for the lightning, i am guessing those are around 19-28ft long trailers. yeah then you pretty much cut 5 charging spaces out of a 10 slot charging station. 1 spot for a trailer on 1 side and 5 spots for cars on the other.

the land cost to give you enough space for 5 trailers plus 5-10 car spots is cost prohibitive unless you place the charging station outside city limits. god forbid the cost inside a busy city.


edit: sorry didnt read teh other 3-5 pages of posts before posting this. guess we need a different thread for this discussion.

 

It's definitely coming and coming much faster than people think. (The technology that is) The implementation will be slower. But I would guess that within 5 years, the EV's will be suitable for 95% of the people.
The one big issue going from semi's to light trucks is going to be the weight. Semis can handle the weight of huge battery packs etc whereas I can see an issue with trying to put enough battery power into a light truck while still maintaining a decent payload without jumping into the 3/4-1 ton area.

 

Maybe after another 100+ years!
https://www.upsbatterycenter.com/blog/arrival-of-electric-taxis-new-york-1897/

 

well at least we are about 7-10 days out from official release of pricing (fingers crossed). hopefully they have info on the hybrid tundra. holding out for specs and pricing before i pull the trigger on either a hybrid or non hybrid platinum.

 

I think we are going to have to stop thinking of trucks in terms of '1/2 ton or 3/4 ton' when it comes to EV. The Rivian for example is between the size of a Tacoma and a Tundra but weighs a LOT more than both. But it still is rated to tow 11,000 lbs. and carry 1,760 lbs. So while it is smaller and heavier than a full size truck, it still has full size truck capabilities.

 

… and no range while using those capabilities unless you’re going to Home Depot

 

We'll be dead before that happens.

 

Actually, about 150 miles of range.

This argument is so myopic. Most people - the VAST majority of people, will be fine with 150 miles of range. If you need more, stop at the pre-designated charge station, plug in, grab a cup of coffee or a meal and relax for a half hour.

'Oh, the inconvenience!'

 

God this thread went to hell in a handbag. Anybody want to talk TUNDRA???

 

well in about 2 weeks it will all change if hopefully the official pricing/config comes out

 

We are headed for another lockout of the thread lol.

I read through the arguments for and against in the past couple of pages, and it really just comes down to personal needs. People are discussing why an EV will or will not suit their needs, but not everyone has the same needs. As a daily driver with trips to Home Depot and the occasional camp or even a daily driver to and from the worksite (assuming worksite is close), EV would be good as you can charge it at home. For those needing longer distances, the "refuelling" becomes an issue. I reckon refuelling will be most people's issue at one point or another as if you don't make a long trek daily, there will undoubtably be a time where someone does. Issues like charging time, drivethru time, driving with a trailer all come into play. The other thing that no one has spoke about is the proprietary nature of these chargers. Tesla has its chargers and Rivian is planning its own, meaning we will have competing charges everywhere, taking up real space and being an eyesore. Unlike gas stations that suit all regardless of the brand of vehicle, this is not looking to be the case with EVs unless the government steps in and does something like the EU did with USB C cables.

Right now, I personally don't believe the infrastructure (nor the technology for us who live far between destinations or in the cold where battery drain is a real issue) for a widespread adoption. Does that mean that we can't ask for more than the status quo and build the next best thing? Absolutely not... mostly because I, ThePolak, am pretty interested in that pull out kitchen by Rivian so that I can make pierogi and kielbasa wherever I go lol

 

Could be. Gotta do the maths, P=IE, and do something other than the current 12v 7-pin connector.

Sequoia's IRS opens up bed cargo area compared to solid axle and multilink. Will be interesting to see if they consolidate the platforms. Solid rear axle improves articulation, so if done so the next Gen Sequoia can match the Land Cruiser for keeping the tires on the ground.

I've wondered if a lightweight generator could enhance EV range. P=IE. Will there be gens coming out with the voltage and amps needed to charge EV batteries and also keep the trailer systems going at the same time? At a reasonable cost?

Well, it's always fun to discuss future tech, what one can do to decrease the "Brown Cloud" we see in cities. We'll see what ends up being feasible and affordable for plebes.

 

Is that going to be their method for the entire run of the 3rd Gen or is this just a stop gap until they can get production running steady and any supply chain issues sorted out?

That just sounds like a dealership with extra steps.