2022 Tundra

If the extended warranties weren't such huge money makers for them, they dealerships wouldn't spend so much time pushing them on you. I know it's peace of mind for people, but I bought my Tacoma in 2005, Tundra in 2016 so in 16 years, I haven't spent a dime on repair costs. They tried to get me to buy an extended warranty for like 2-3 grand if I remember right. That would've been 4-6 grand wasted between the two trucks.

 

It's an option so no point in debating. I buy them, you don't. No worries at all.

 

when I bought my tundra they were pushing everything at me to extended warranty to maintenance packages to road side assistance. I got the extended warranty because it was a 10 year old truck but i came to the conclusion the reason I bought a Toyota is for reliability so why do we need warranty again..

 

after it stops automatically, you let off on the brake slow and creep up.

 

ok, that doesnt sound bad.

 

I feel the same about extended warranty on a Toyota. I am on my 5th Toyota and had 4 Hondas, and did not get extended warranty on any of them, and never needed it; they all had more than 100k miles without any issues. At $2k each I would have spent $18k just on warranties to date. (plus interest because it typically gets rolled into the loan amount) . Even if I have a catastrophic failure of say $5k now, I am still ahead overall.
Now, that would be for Toyota and maybe Honda only. On a Chrysler, Ford or Chevy I would not leave the dealership without it. I have had it on the Chrysler (Plymouth) van, Ford Mustang and Ford Ranger (Only domestics I have ever had) and I claimed every penny and then some of what I had paid for the warranties on those vehicles. None of them ever got close to 100k miles before I got rid of them.

 

Same thing here. The Tundra is the most reliable out of the gate, and it's the easiest to self-maintain which means I save a bunch of money in dealer trips once the few free oil changes (which I declined anyway) run out.

They tried to sell me on the "peace of mind" of the extended warranty. But I didn't want to have to go back to the dealer at all. They know the more you come back, you are statistically FAR more likely to spend more money with them, whether that is by buying a new vehicle or consenting to recommended service work at the typically inflated dealer shop rates.

I had to firmly decline any extra warranty multiple times, and I even had to call and opt out of the vehicle data recording that is automatically sent to Toyota. Apparently, by buying the truck, you implicitly give consent to be monitored by Toyota. Not cool in my book.

 

Thank you. That is a bummer. I can fit it in the garage but the garage fridge won’t open which will make my wife unhappy. I guess I’ll have to keep my options open.

 

Sounds like you need to get a open top fridge

 

Check out this sweet rendering I found on IG.

 

Toyota may need to go in marketing emergency mode if this thing doesn't fit in most suburban garages.....They are gonna have to find a different customer to market it to, it looks like their current customer they are seeking is gonna be a fail, due to the ever shrinking suburban garage....

 

It’s gonna create a lot of work for contractors, building carport and etc

 

I’me curious did your fuel pump go out because you ran the “not really” 36 gallon tank to empty? I sure hope this 32 gallon tank is designed to be ran until empty without that 2nd gen problem.

 

Like the old Wendy's Commerical where's the beef.

Where's the tire sidewall?

 

no I never run my tank all the way down, I have the 38 gallon tank and the light goes on with like 8 gallons or something. I take extremely good care of my rigs.

it just took a shit and they also did something with the ECU when they installed the new one.

 

Isn't the point of the TT to get better mileage when you're not towing? I thought the point of cylinder deactivation, turbos, and the like were to get you better mileage for the 90% of the time when you're not doing these things.

 

Yes you are 100% correct 3.5tt will get on average 5mpg if not better than the current 5.7 engine

 

For the majority probably but wife and I use a Subaru as a daily. My Truck is used for mostly towing and hauling things in the bed if necessary so for me personally the TTV6 is a turnoff depending on real world results on towing mpg. In the 1500 series truck world I am probably a minority though since many do use it for daily driving so overall it is probably a good thing for them.

 

Wait, whaaaa?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3EPiEyrRbtU
I don't have time to watch it now, but you guys take a look!
Also, look at the grille. That's the mystery grille :0

 

I don't know how GAWR is calculated. Maybe the lower rating is because of the composite bed??? BUT, the axle could handle more weight???

480lbs is a big difference, but the payload is slightly improved, how can that work? I'm having difficulty getting 2+2=4 with the numbers. How does Toyota calculate lower GAWR's and at the same time increase payload?

Side note - the Tow Hook poll is about 50-50 yay or nay. Haven't used them often over the years, but sure did like having them on a few occasions, and wished I did have them on a few occasions.

 

GAWR is the amount of weight each axle is rated to handle. It seems payload went up on average around 300lb across the board, but GAWR went down. The weight of the new trucks went down, too.

I got the axle ratings from the door jamb pics of the 6.5’ bed 1794 Crewmax. It showed a GVWR of 7330 with a max payload rating of 1270. Subtracting the latter from the former gives us a curb weight of 6060 lbs, but it’s a longer (read: heavier) truck and not a direct comparison to my ‘21 shortbed crewmax. The total GAWR is 7615 lb. GAWR - GVWR = 285lb.

For comparison, my shortbed ‘21 crewmax has a GVWR of 7200 and a payload rating of 1270. This means my curb weight is 5930lb. But my axles are 4000 front and 4150 rear. GAWR - GVWR = 950lb.

Regarding payload going up even if axle ratings go down: For the 3rd gen 6.5’ bed crewmax, the GVWR is higher than mine by 130lb, but its total GAWR is 535lb less. I would bet that GVWR and curb weight are a bit lower for the double cabs and the short bed crewmax trucks.

EDIT: maybe to get total weight down, they shed some weight in the axles themselves. But then those axles, while still able to carry GVWR comfortably, aren’t as overbuilt as the 2nd gen’s.

A conclusion one might draw from this is that the 3rd gen isn’t something you’ll want to push past its limits as much as the 2nd gen. I’d like to see a lot more door jambs before coming to that conclusion though.

 

What I'm hoping is what he touched on around minute 7:00, that this will satisfy Toyota's desire for a high dollar trim and keep the price of the TRD Pro/Platinum from coming up too much.

 

TFL towing tests is my go to, they're consistent and test every vehicle. Gas turbos, turbo diesels, NA V8's I haven't seen a truly remarkable difference in towing MPG's.

Towing performance is better with a turbo. Need to hit the fast lane climbing Ike to pass 18-wheelers in the two slow lanes? Turbo will do it better.

 

Payload = GVWR - curb weight. So if they kept the GVWR similar and lightened the truck, payload goes up. I'm no expert but I believe GVWR and GAWR could be somewhat unrelated to a certain extent.

 

Honestly, the trucks look to weigh almost identically the same. That 1794 at 6,000 pounds is about the same as current 2.5 gens.

They probably saved a few hundred pounds with composite bed, but gained it back in increased width, larger tires/rims, larger sunroof, more electronics, etc......

The GVWR is 7,330 posted above and truck is about 6,000 pounds. That is about the same or about a 100 pound gain over current 2.5 Gen.

 

Yeah, we'll have to see more data. I appreciate you going through the numbers. We've discussed this before, my attitude has always been since my 1990 pickup and quite a few others is if I don't like squat and rearend roll I'll beef up the springs.

Hopefully, 3G axles can handle beefing up the springs, that's the bottom line. I doubt Toyota shed weight with the axles. We'll find out when the aftermarket gets them in their shops.

 

I had wondered about whether folks might consider adjusting the garage vs buying a non-preferred vehicle. If I was doing it I’d probably do a small addition onto the rear of the garage. Perhaps even adding room for a bench or some shelving so it looks a bit more intentional/original? I have added stock pictures of a couple potential styles below:

 

ya, I dont have that option to expand it like that and I wouldn't do that big of project just to have a tundra over a AT4 or whatever

but I am thinking if I can gain a few inches by taking out the drywall on the inside of the garage and then remove the 2x4s and put a header in there. I think that would get me the 3-5 inches I need. Just leave it drywall on the house side of that.

Im not real sure right now as it will be a while before I can even test drive the tundra and there are some things that Im not real sold on yet.

Plus I need to see that new 6.2 AT4 with updated interior, that will fit without doing anything I think.

 

I measured my garage the other day and would have about a few inches left to spare with a 5.5' crew max. I may need to test drive one over to my house and see if it will fit.

 

yup, measure twice , buy once, HA! new game with these 5" extra they tacked on the front end

I was in there trying to find an idea of how to get every possible inch. Even the support rails on the garage door take up space.