2022 Tundra

I believe Sweers said that in the podcast. He basically said they were concerned with range not gallons. So if they can get the same range with 6 less gallons, there isn't much reason to keep the huge tank.

 

I can't remember where I read it, but Toyota is building the engine in Tennessee (I think?) and they have to increase the plant's capacity so they are hiring a bunch of new people to build it. I guess they anticipate that they won't have everything in place for that until early 2022 and so that's why the delay. I also watched/read that although a 3.5 TTV6 is used in some Lexus' the version going into the Tundra IS NOT that engine and that it is different somehow. So that also could be contributing to the delay.

 

If I could get a Limited w/ TRD offroad package with 1,700 lb payload I'd be all over it.....but I don't see it happening honestly.

 

this hybrid is different than the Prius though.

it will be interesting to see what the deal is with the auto start stop deal. I really dont like that from the ones I ve driven which include in old mans 2021 platinum highlander

 

I'm sure it's the same block. The V angle, bore and stroke are probably the same. I'm sure maybe the valvetrain and electronics might be different.

Considering the hybrid motor is inside the bell housing of the transmission, I'm curious how that affects the production of the engine.

I'm not much of an alarmist, but if that's the case, and the factory is building the engine for the first time, maybe I'll wait.

 

Yeah blank switch very annoying. Why couldn't they have designed the panel smaller to exclude the switch or make the existing switches a bit bigger to keep the symmetry?

 

Yeah, but I believe it is still able to get the truck moving on its own without the ICE. That would be my biggest complaint with the auto shutoff is that there is a second delay from taking your foot off the brake to when the engine restarts and goes. If the electric motor can take over for that second and get the truck moving instantly while the ICE is starting, I probably wouldn't even notice it had shutoff.

 

ya I get it, test drive will tell the tale.

it will be interesting to see how much more money you have to pay to get the hybrid. then we can see what the trade off is to lose storage, pay more, etc. to gain 100 lbs of torque and maybe a few more mpgs.

Im really glad that made it an option on the platinum at least, that way if any of the above is stupid can just get the non-hybrid model and still get 78 more torque at lower RPMS and likely a lot better MPG

 

6 functions, but I understand they wanted to make the hazards the big one in the middle...was bound to be a problem.

 

They are building the engine in Huntsville, AL.

https://huntsvillebusinessjournal.c...produce-the-2022-tundra-twin-turbo-v6-engine/

 

So, I was talking to a buddy of mine this morning who ran a high end fishing charter business. He said he recently had a Toyota NA exec on his boat.

Apparently, the customer said the diesel is a possibility for 2024. This tidbit is probably worth what you paid for it.

 

Probably a little lead in the foot.

 

You are absolutely right. Sweers said in his video with Andre from TFL that they sized the tank for 4 hours of travel on the road. So that is why they reduced the tank size.

 

Perhaps....just maybe....Toyota engineered it to bypass when either the heater or A/C is on? Doesn't seem too hard to do.

 

I swear I watched a video from automotive press (that engineer guy) say that b/c of the hybrid there is no starter on the engine. I'm going to have to see if I can find where I heard that - unless someone can confirm.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2022-tundras-twin-turbo-v-173700814.html

I just saw this, so I guess it does have start stop and you can't turn it off on the hydrid from what this says. Here is the relevant parts it pertains to start stop. notice the highlight in red

"The twin-turbo V-6 in i-FORCE MAX spec is supported by an 1.87 kW electric motor-generator sandwiched between the engine and a 10-speed automatic gearbox. That motor is powered by a 288V battery, which features a nickel-metal hydride construction. The powertrain is good for a combined 437 hp and 583 lb-ft of torque, which represents gains of 48 hp and 104 lb-ft over the Tundra's standard 3.5-liter. That's an impressive torque figure for a V-6, but the motor-generator setup provided other benefits too. The start/stop system has been reworked by Toyota's powertrain engineers, and will now cycle much more frequently than a typical hybrid. Sackett notes that the motor-generator makes this process more seamless than before, and that customers may not notice it happening at all."

it better be better than may not notice if you can't disable it.

 

Dudes are delving into the symmetry of a switch panel.

And I thought some of the other complaints were petty. I think I've damn seen it all

 

I think the hybrid is going to come in around 25mpg - where Ford is. The reason I say that is b/c Toyota left off the tow hooks for aero reasons. If they were going to get 28mpg I think they would have left the tow hooks on thinking that was well above anybody else so why tweak for more. As far as your prices I would agree.

 

I am not saying you are wrong, but as an engineer of different sorts, I always try to cover as many basis as possible.
You have to consider one day the hybrid system is going to malfunction and not work. The ICE should be able to run on its own, but how would you start it otherwise? You can't expect everyone to be able to jump start an automatic. Maybe they should include a Universal Solider with every hybrid truck as a backup, lol.
I know, there are a multitude of factors in that assumption, and I haven't educated myself properly on the complete design of the hybrid system, but still.

I wouldn't put it past them to not have a starter on it. I know the Ram e-torque doesn't have a starter. They must have a ton of confidence in that system...

 

I'm kind of annoyed that none of the trucks they've shown so far have tow mirrors for us to see. Even all the videos Toyota has released of the Tundra towing don't have the tow mirrors. What's that all about?

 

Ha, you might not notice, but then again you might. Reading that article gives me some second thoughts now. It can shut off the ICE even at high speeds so does that mean if it shuts off and all of a sudden I need to step on it to pass a car or something that there is going to be a delay before the truck will respond? That would be annoying.

 

Best I've seen.

 

Thanks! Yeah I couldn't remember if it was Tennessee or wherever. I do like right off the bat: 'Incredible power. Remarkable efficiency.' I just wish we knew just how 'remarkably efficient'.

 

Supposedly people are going to be able to drive them starting tomorrow. Maybe they will be able to tell us what kind of mileage they are getting as they are driving them around.

 

Haha and their camo towing nothing. Seems strange Toyota wouldn't showcase them in one of those videos where they are towing the Airstream or that other trailer.

 

Hybrid availability question:

So the rumors before Sunday's release were that hybrid availability would be Mar/Apr 22 and base engine Nov/Dec 21. After the release we learn the TRD PRO will ONLY be available with the hybrid system (yikes, that must be stinging some folks!) and that the TRD PRO won't be available until spring. Many are now assuming that there wont' be ANY trims with hybrid until that same spring timeframe but that's an assumption it seems. Does anyone know if that means the hybrid in the other trims will take that long too or will we see the hybrid this year? I can't swear to it but I thought I caught a word or two in all of those videos that made is seem both engines would be available this year and the wait would only be for the PRO. Does anyone know more?

 

From manual.

 

Speaking of mileage......

Mai have always been very good and able to squeeze out above average mileage if I want to compared to others.

My Tundra, 4Runner Limited, and Camry we get the advertised mileage. On the highway, as long as you keep them at around 72 or under, I get advertised highway mileage or a little better. With my Tundra on long trips, I can get 18.5 or so, verified with Fuelly. The 4Runner limited we could get up to 21 if keeping it off cruise and 65-70.

As far as domestics go, I have really struggled to get their advertised mileage. We had a 2015 GMC Acadia, and no matter what we did we couldn't get within 1.5 MPG of advertised mileage. Changed tires, spark plugs, filters, never made a difference.

The f-150's we have at work I will drive from time to time. None of us can get the advertised mileage in those those things either. Doesn't matter how easy they are driven, the 5.0 and 3.5 eco just doesn't really get that great of mileage. We get about 17-18 MPG if we are lucky. Several guys at work have personal Fords and they all say the same thing that they get about 18. I averaged 16 over 51k miles with the Tundra.

I am afraid Toyota will claim 18/25 with the new truck but in real world it will average 18-19. Don't get me wrong, the extra 2-3 MPG would be great, but at what cost.

It just seems like all of these new small cubic inch, turbo motors there is a really small window for fuel economy. A lot smaller window with larger cubic inch NA motors.

Ford runs theirs on a chassis dyno, 93 octane/no ethanol, at 47 MPH, to claim their mileage which is not real world at all.

I was reading through tons of pages about the PowerBoost and it seems average is 18.5 to 19.5 MPG in a truck that weighs 500-1,000 pounds less then my Platinum......