2022 Tundra

Good point on the mileage. I would still be really surprised if the numbers dropped below Ford, but parity is more likely. I am with you on the AWD stuff, driving in 2WD all winter sucks, and I am paranoid about leaving it in 4H all the time due to cornering, differing conditions etc.

 

My take on this model, and I think others have said the same, is that I did not expect this to be a revolutionary release. That is simply not what Toyota does. They do careful evolution. It really does not exceed their competition in any area. It just finally caught up to them. In some areas. Whether the ones where it doesn't are important to you or not (payload etc) will be a deciding factor for a lot of buyers. But where Toyota does get it right is when the DO finally get caught up, they do it right. I was discussing whether or not I was going to put a deposit down with a good friend of mine who ran a Firestone for over 20 years and has seen his fair share of bad designs. I commented that I was a bit uneasy about buying the first model year of a new motor, especially the hybrid design. His comment was "Why? It's Toyota. You know they got it right the first time around." This coming from the guy who had to turn two RAMs eco diesels back in under the lemon law, lol.

Oh and I personally don't care if the domestic makers have better features or payloads. I owned TWO Duramaxes over the years when I was towing heavy and each one was a money pit to just keep on the road. One cost me well over 10k in transmission and injectors before it ever hit 100k miles. The other one blew up at 130k. Thank God for extended warranties. Something no Toyota I have ever owned has done.

 

Doesn’t seem like it’s going to be soon.

 

The Cummings deal was so bad (definitely a catastrophe) that they discontinued them in 2019. I suspect the XD will completely go away in a few more years, which is why I really wanted the Tundra to get a little closer on payload for the higher trim models. GM is out and I've never owned a RAM and not sure that I want too. Fords do nothing for me.

We're in that weird in-between place with our 4,500 lb travel trailer. With 660 lbs of tongue weigh, kid, dogs, kayaks, camping gear etc. we're at the very top of the 1/2-ton market and very bottom of the 3/4-ton market. It's a crappy place to be honestly. We need 1,700 lbs minimum payload, which I was really hoping could happen on a long bed Limited. It's looking like a 5.5' SR5 might work.....but I'm old and spoiled with all the creature comforts now.....

 

I think the non hybrid will have 18 and the Hybrid will be 25-28 mpg. I have heard a rumor from dealers that have been driving it using those numbers but nothing confirmed. There is also some talk about bad turbo lag but that is subjective as well. I think dealers and media are driving them and have been driving them as we speak.

 

Very interesting perspective, I don’t think you’re wrong. I wonder if it will workout for Toyota i.e. the net conversion from Taco/4Runner->Tundra/Sequoia will outweigh the outflow from people who were hoping for more, or disappointed with amenities and features that were removed from the gen. 3.

 

That's what my local dealership said as well; I don't trust a lot of dealerships or salesmen, but I do indeed trust the guy who sold us our truck - he's a friend of our neighbors and he's not the kind of guy who'll BS you. If he doesn't know it means they don't know; otherwise he'd just say "I know, but I can't tell you until I'm given the authorization to."

 

I'm actually looking forward to the new sequoia .

 

Exactly. Here where I am in Canada (between all the lakes) we get a lot of snow, a lot of black ice but also a lot of totally dry patches. You don't want it in 4H as you'll wreck your truck around dry corners but you don't want to be hitting the slippy bits on 2H. Auto 4WD solves that. Or would if they put the bugger on the damn truck...

 

Some of the 3/4 ton domestics are pretty durable as long as you go with the gas option. I have owned a 3/4 Ram with the 6.4 and it was as reliable as any of my Toyotas, and Fords 7.3 is showing promise. Your mileage would be better on the Hemi. I often saw 18 or better on the highway.

 

it should be, my Ram had none of the bed bounce and axle hop my tundra has, its pretty bad around this area. I have 4 huge sand bags in the back to smooth it out.

 

The truck itself isn't bad with the gas engine - the problem comes in when you compare pricing. The XD was a significant bump over the regular half ton - so much so it got into the same price range as 1 tons when you factor in actual selling price and not MSRP. I was super excited for the Titan XD prior to getting my Tundra, but then all the specs and pricing came out and it was a huge nope from me, for that price I could get a 1 ton HD for the same price and it would have 3 times the capability.

Pricing was the huge sticking point for the XD, and it will be for the new Tundra. If it's similar to current gen (2-3k bump at most) then it will sell decently, make it a 5k+ bump and they're getting into HD territory - so it's same price for a less capable truck, or quite a bit more than a domestic half ton; do that and sales will go down.

 

Yeah that was my point too.

 

Fuel economy was the primary complaint about the 2nd Gen. If the 3rd Gen isn't on par with the domestics, Toyota will have wasted 15 years of R&D.

My primary problem with my truck in winter is getting going from a stop. I really should throw a few sandbags in the bed because my bed liner, canopy and Blizzaks aren't helping with traction.

 

Agreed. I think the biggest - and likely ONLY - screwup that was made (not even by Toyota, really) was the whole world-beater comment. The biggest 'issue' people seem to have/have had is the fact that, at least on paper, since Tundra was accused of not having entirely comparable payload, MPG, towing capability, it wasn't an 'actual alternative' to big 3 trucks.

The 2022 Tundra will be. Whether or not its MPG, payload, towing, etc. is "the best" is completely irrelevant, because the opposition will simply "recalculate" to find a few more HP/TQ/#'s of towing capability....but it will be, at the least, on par with the big 3 - and with greater reliability to boot.

(Cue cries of "But others have a V8 or [insert spiffy feature here]!")

 

I've been looking at the RAM Hemi's and Ford 7.3L.

The XD is paid off and does everything we need it to do (just turned 2,500 miles), so I'm at the point do I unload it to save the resale hit or ride it down in a blaze of glory. It does have a lifetime, unlimited mileage drivetrain warranty and a 8 yr bumper-bumper unlimited mileage warranty so that helps. That's why I was hoping for a little more payload on the Tundra Limited/Platinums, since myself and my wife are Toyota owners also, I had her primed for me trading in my brand new truck on a new Tundra.....that crap is difficult to pull off.

 

Buyers should check themselves, but how many come on this site and claim their payload is 1700 and they can tow a 5th wheel? Not saying that’s Toyotas fault but it happens cause that’s what the book says. It’s a lot easier to remove a spare tire than a fuel tank or sunroof.

Some people disagree and say they distrust Toyotas numbers on the 38 gallon fuel tank.

 

That's me! ^^^

 

Agreed... It would be fine for "work truck" people who actually know what 4wd is for, but this truck seems to be marketed at the masses so "auto" should be the default. Not knocking those people (I am one), but it does seem to be a miss

 

That's good to hear, it drives me nuts. I used to keep a bunch of stuff in the bed just to help out with that as well, but when it's empty it's maddening.

 

The point was how expensive is it to own a second-hand, high-mileage vehicle. A Tundra crossed 200k miles is considered "like new" by the market, because en masse nothing really bad happens with the old Tundra after 200k. Because we know a few of them made it to 1 million miles. Plus all those youtube videos, where 200k+ Tundra owners confess they didn't do much of anything. Just keep changing fluids and nothing major will come out of your new to you Tundra: it still has lots of juices left.

This is certainly not the case with any turbo engine. A good turbo can make it to 200k, no doubts, but the remaining life at that point is shorter by the forced induction nature, plus the engine control is about 3 times more complex (more parts, less space to work). And that means, when you'll be selling your older Tundra, its resale value will be lower that it used to be for old, simple, dumb natural aspiration Tundras. Or, if you keep it, the repair bills will get much higher.

 

I know what 4wd is for. I don't see why I should have to put my truck into 4Hi every time I come to a stop in the winter so I can get going again then flip back to 2Hi so I can turn.

 

I understand that sentiment completely, thats a tough choice. I am kind of in the same boat, my needs for a full size truck teeter right on the edge as far as capability is concerned and I was hoping that the Tundra would do what I needed as so far, I have had good experiences with Toyota trucks as far as performance, reliability and resale is concerned.

I was hoping that it would wow me enough to trade the Tacoma. So far....it has not....I will reserve final judgment until I see the driving performance, mileage, and I get to drive it.

If I had to make a decision today it would be to keep the Tacoma and just buy another truck, probably a Ram or Ford 3/4 ton or 1 ton. I don't need all of the HD capability but it is close enough and the HD trucks are built better than the domestic 1/2 tons.

 

I have a Limited 4Runner and love not having to think about switching to 4WD, the full time is really nice to have. It's the one reserve I've got about wanting a Tundra. I know when 4WD is appropriate and isn't with the Tundra, but I'd love to not have to think about it and just know that the truck can pretty much power through anything safely if it's not overdriven.

 

yup, depending on the road where you drive, the previous flexible frame stiff leaf packs design wasn't so good for ride. I didn't care much before but as Im getting older I want smoother. the 1500 lbs or whatever payload is fine for me, its a 1/2 ton. If I needed more it would be 3/4 ton time anyways.

I want my next truck to ride better similar to my ram which had about the same payload as my current tundra. Im done with the bed bounce and axle hop, the roads here SUCK

 

On the article posted earlier, I thought it said Ford got their numbers after removing the spare tire, radio, and center console so that will easily boost their numbers by a couple hundred pounds.

 

do we know what the rear diff is on the platinum? its not getting the locker as near as I can tell since thats tied to the TRD package, but is it a regular LSD or it is this ALSD deal again?

 

Have you guys watched this video? He is an automotive engineer who has worked with Toyota
https://youtu.be/BsFwj87SG6M

 

I used to have a spare set of wheels with Blizzaks for my Titan. A few years back I got a heavy Leer cap with all the options thinking some weight over the wheels and Blizzaks would help. Nope. The Blizzaks weren't noticeably better than the KO2s, so I sold them.
Then I had a torsen style rear diff installed thinking that would help. WRONG. Now both wheels loose grip as opposed to one, and that makes things way more exciting (grip is much better in dry, however)

 

The guy is like reading those Toyota's ads, saying nothing specific about new materials development, stress points in turbo engines and how Toyota had them addressed. Nothing about which mistakes they did in past and how they got worked around for that another Toyota's turbo engine to last longer than is predecessors. "Trust me, I'm an engineer".