2022 Tundra

Carplay actually has very little to do with the truck, it's mostly just an interface that allows the Carplay on your phone to connect to the infortainment system; same with Android Auto. In theory, any problems with Carplay would be because of your phone - and if you don't want to use Carplay, just don't connect it. You really wouldn't even know it was there if you didn't want to use it.

Personally for me, Carplay is really helpful. Especially when auto manufacturers decided years ago that updates to their GPS maps wouldn't be free, and would actually be fairly expensive. The maps I use on Carplay (which can be any of the map apps I prefer) are updated constantly, and I don't have to pay for it.

 

Technology can’t overcome the laws of physics..

 

I wasn’t aware of the law of physics where a truck can’t pull 13k.

Technology can help work within the laws of physics better. 500 years ago no one though man would ever fly. First wright bro plane was flimsy and only few 100 feet or so. Have you ever been on an airbus a380? It weighs 1,268,000 lb. Who would’ve though that would ever get off the ground.

If payload goes up to 1800-2000, are you also going to say no way a 1/2 ton should ever haul more than 1000 lbs? After all, it’s in the name.

 

A big factor in HD trucks pulling up over 30k lbs now is they're using their weight to their advantage - half tons are getting lighter and softer suspensions; both of which are negatives when looking at higher towing. Many of us have consistently said the Tundra tows with more confidence than an F150, even though the F150 has higher ratings - the Tundra suspension is much stiffer and is 1000 lbs heavier which makes the Tundra far more planted and less affected by trailer movements. There's a reason a SRW F350 can only tow ~22.5k lbs and a DRW is over 35k lbs - the tow vehicle needs a certain stability to counteract the trailer.

Manufacturers could easily make a 8500 lb GVWR truck (half ton class) that tows 20k lbs, but it would be a shitty ride. Half tons are becoming large cars which is going to limit their towing capabilities. Manufacturers are prioritizing unloaded ride comfort and fuel economy and that is going to limit the growth of half ton towing limits.

 

Precisely. I know this was knocked around several pages back, but it should be emphasized that towing "capacity" does not necessarily equate to towing safety. Before you and/or your family occupy a 1/2 ton pickup pulling 13K lbs because the owners manual says its ok, apply some common sense. Regardless of tow vehicle technology, you are pulling a load roughly twice the weight of your pickup risking, as I noted earlier, tail wag the dog moments. Critical factors include the physics of the load distribution, weight, height, width, shape, etc., conditions of the road, weather, traffic, et al. Accordingly, it is prudent to employ a safety margin in towing. I would argue there is very little safety margin in towing anything over 8-9K in a 1/2 ton pickup regardless of pickup technology and/or manufacturer claims. Do people do it, sure. I don't.

Earlier, I used a real life example towing a 14.5K boat/triaxle with a 2500HD Dmax rated at 16K tow capacity. That 3/4 ton, 8000lbs pickup was often wagged by the tow. Though it was well within "spec", in real life weather, road, traffic, load physics conditions, it was borderline unsafe. A footnote to this, although the 2500HD was rated at 16K, the receiver was rated at 12K. Same receiver Chebbie used on 1/2 ton pickups, vans and such. Caused some accidents. Always verify your components, receiver, hitch, hitch ball, et al., are rated for the load.

 

I won’t ever own a trailer close to 13k and could care less what Toyota says it can tow. I think my truck is 9k something and I’m looking at TTs around 5k.

I just think it’s ironic that quite a few people insisted Toyota knew what they were doing when they removed the trans cooler. Then there are posts saying Toyota was conservative with payload numbers and it’s ok to go a couple hundred over. But now it seems we are saying Toyota is completely wrong and no way should a 1/2 ton tundra ever tow close to 13k. (no, I didn’t waste my time checking to see if the same people said all 3. I also never put words in anyone’s mouth)

So is Toyota correct and will maintain their reliable reputation, or will someone out there try to tow 13k and crash and burn? I don’t know nor do I care at this point.

It’s also weird that all this discussion is before Toyota has even released any official specs. For that reason I’m done going back and forth about it.

This post wasn’t directed at you, it’s just you were the last to reply to me.

 

Sorry timsp8, I was in a hurry, I should have explained, and my comment came across as being a smart-assed A-hole, which wasn't my intent.
I understand your point and just echo what others have said about 1/2 ton trucks and towing safety when on the upper end of the capacity ratings.
All the best.

 

Nope. This is partially incorrect info.

CP and AA isues can most definitely be due to issues with the infotainment in your vehicle.
However, before troubleshooting the infotainment, it is important to make sure the smartphone is fully updated and that the cable connecting the smartphone to the truck is genuine OEM cable in good condition.

The infotainment when using AA in my 2016 GTI worked perfectly for 2-1/2 years until the dealer updated the infotainment system. Afterwards it was garbage.

The infotainment in our 2020 Toyota Corolla is having AA issues with 2 totally different phones, but those phones and cables work perfect in my truck that has an older infotainment in it. It is absolutely something wrong with our Toyota, confirmed by other users with the same car. Toyota won't acknowledge the issue.

 

That is true but they are currently ( or about to with the 2022’s ) putting infotainment systems in that get OTA updates including maps for free .

 

Here, I've added emphasis to clarify. That said, I have issues with Carplay on my 2020 and I have the newest, greatest iPhone all fully updated.

 

My thoughts before reveal is Toyota will produce a reliable truck with a drivetrain they were confident enough to put into the new Land Cruiser LC300. Higher trims will get the proven MTS and Crawl Control, been proven reliable and effective for many years in the LC, Tacoma, 4Runner.

Also, GM and Chrysler had to be bailed out by the US government to stay afloat. Subaru, Toyota didn't need a bailout to stay afloat even though they have mfg plants in the US and have a comparable amount of US parts content.

I'll stay with Toyota, won't support those freeloading bums at GM and Chrysler.

 

That’s interesting. My wife uses CarPlay all the time in her ‘21 Highlander with absolutely no issues at all.

 

Interesting that they're calling that "Dynamic Force" since there were rumours of an "IForce Max" name (or maybe a patent on it?).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Dynamic_Force_engine

 

Too many posts to find the picture, but it's easy to google, there's a good photo showing iForce Max - and it's got blue in it. Shows that's most likely the hybrid version that no specs have been leaked for (or available date)

 

It’s one of the official Toyota pics

 

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I don't know much about engines) but are these numbers of 409hp/479ft lb of torque just the engine before the turbos? If so, how much more are the turbos expected to add?

 

Just one more week. Doesn't look like we're going to get anymore leaks before then. The timing couldn't be better for me. I need to replace my current rides NLT March 2022. Wife is looking at either a RAV4 or Corolla Cross and I'm looking at a pickup to tow an RV with.

If the Tunda is what I'm expecting it to be (I'm eyeballing a 1794 Edition) I'll put in an order, the RV will be a travel trailer. If it's not, I'm going with an F350 Platinum Tremor and putting a 5th wheel behind it.

 

Is the v6 without turbos more powerful then the v8 with out turbos? No this is the go with turbos.

 

Thanks! So, we've had 381/401 since 2007 and in 15 years the Tundra gains 28/78 plus fuel economy.

How does that compare to the big 3? What were their #s in 2007 compared to today + fuel economy?

I just quickly looked up Ford: 2007 was 300/365 and 2022 is 400/500 (equivalent engine to the Tundra). So Ford went up 100/135.

 

I assume this is with the turbos. I don't see why they would report the number for an NA version of an engine that they're only going to sell a boosted version of and those are pretty optimistic for a NA V6.

 

SR5 already has heated seats.

 

That Blueprint is a neat colour, similar idea to the Ford “Antimatter Blue”- looks black in certain lights, shimmer/sparkles blue in others. Probably look cool on a Tundra.

 

Wonder what the air suspension is all about? Payload helper or comfort feature?

 

maybe but it’s a Toyota. What’s better. A truck that goes trouble free for 300k or a few more horses? For me that’s why I have stuck with Toyota and plan to continue doing so.

 

But Ford had to go up more because they started with less. At this point, the power and torque numbers are like the towing numbers - bragging rights only.

 

Both. Change the PSI in the bags and it can be lower for a cushier ride or jack it up and take some of the weight off the coil springs

 

Maybe because the selection in that image was "SR5"??

If they went to the pull-down box at the top of the screen, maybe there is a separate selection for TRD PRO?

To me, it looks like SR5 is the base, and can be changed into other trims/levels, but the TRD PRO is it's own level.

BTW, "maybe" is being used cause I'm just guessing

 

In Canada, it is one of the perks we get - at least as of a few years ago. We may get fewer trims, but we tend to get goodies at lower trims